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This is a discussion on So new law in VA on the burner - Enforce the laws or else for cops within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by BentLink Hmmmm...how 'bout immigration law? You beat me to it!...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BentLink View Post
    Hmmmm...how 'bout immigration law?
    You beat me to it!
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    I wonder if all these idiots realize what will happen if a lot of officers decide to leave the force for better pastures? Let me spitball it.

    Far less police presence: Crime will soar. Violence will soar. Murder will soar. Criminals will be emboldened and retaliate against lawyers and judges and anyone else who gets in their way. Citizens will react as they did in San Francisco 100+ years ago with "Committees Of Vigilance". Ultimately, the very fools who advocate this insanity will have reason to dial 911. Who will respond? My guess is no one. If they do, it will be a shrug of the shoulders, a "who cares" expression, and it's on to the next call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldChap View Post
    I wonder if all these idiots realize what will happen if a lot of officers decide to leave the force for better pastures?
    In such a scenario, my worry is they will deputize the kind of people who would gladly do the dirty work. The kind of people who want the country to be socialist or communist, and wouldn't lose a minute's sleep enforcing the new laws in any manner that suits them.

    I hope I'm wrong, but that would be my concern. To the Dems, the ends justify the means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tstone View Post
    In such a scenario, my worry is they will deputize the kind of people who would gladly do the dirty work. The kind of people who want the country to be socialist or communist, and wouldn't lose a minute's sleep enforcing the new laws in any manner that suits them.

    I hope I'm wrong, but that would be my concern. To the Dems, the ends justify the means.
    I have met a few such people and I feel I'm on pretty solid ground when I say they don't really have the stones for that kind of work. I've been on the hind end of a SWAT entry stack, and from my perspective it was a really "wet" and "messy" experience, if you understand my meaning. Putting untrained folks in that situation probably means a LOT of them will not be going home afterward.
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    Does that mean they have to enforce these laws, too? Laws is laws... (2. 3, 4, 6, 7, 12 and 13 could be troublesome.)

    Careful what you wish for, VA legislators.

    Strange Law 1: Virginian motorists cannot drive if they are not wearing shoes.

    Strange law 2: Virginian motorists must honk their horns if they are attempting to pass another vehicle.

    Strange Law 3: Police are not allowed to use speed radar detectors.

    Strange Law 4: In Waynesboro, Virginia, it is illegal for a female motorist to drive her car along Main Street unless her husband is walking in front of the vehicle waving a red flag in his hands.

    Strange Law 5: In Prince William County, Virginia, it is illegal for a motorist to park their vehicle on a set of railroad tracks.

    Strange Law 6: In Virginia Beach, Virginia, it is illegal to drive by the same area within 30 minutes of Atlantic Avenue.

    Now for a few laws that arenít driving specific:

    Strange Law 7: Children cannot trick-or-treat on Halloween.

    Strange Law 8: In Richmond, Virginia, citizens cannot flip a coin in a dining establishment to see who gets to pay for coffee.

    Strange Law 9: It is illegal to tickle women.

    Strange Law 10: Virginians cannot hunt animals on Sundays, except for raccoons. Raccoons can be hunted until 2:00 a.m.

    Strange Law 11: Virginians cannot spit on seagulls.

    Strange Law 12: Virginian women are required by law to wear a corset after sunset if they are with a male chaperone.

    Strange Law 13: It is illegal to curse at another person in town.

    Strange Law 14: If a male fondles a womanís bottom, he can be sent to jail for 60 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldChap View Post
    I have met a few such people and I feel I'm on pretty solid ground when I say they don't really have the stones for that kind of work. I've been on the hind end of a SWAT entry stack, and from my perspective it was a really "wet" and "messy" experience, if you understand my meaning. Putting untrained folks in that situation probably means a LOT of them will not be going home afterward.
    Well, I respect all you've shared with us from your experiences, @OldChap , so that does ease my mind a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldChap View Post
    I wonder if all these idiots realize what will happen if a lot of officers decide to leave the force for better pastures? Let me spitball it.

    Far less police presence: Crime will soar. Violence will soar. Murder will soar. Criminals will be emboldened and retaliate against lawyers and judges and anyone else who gets in their way. Citizens will react as they did in San Francisco 100+ years ago with "Committees Of Vigilance". Ultimately, the very fools who advocate this insanity will have reason to dial 911. Who will respond? My guess is no one. If they do, it will be a shrug of the shoulders, a "who cares" expression, and it's on to the next call.
    And then the left would claim all those problems stem from not enough gun control.
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    While many jurors may never have heard of "jury nullification" they will still not convict their fellow citizens under these proposed laws. Should these unjust laws be passed I hope the VCDL and others inform the public of "jury nullification" so more jurors are unlikely to convict. "Jury nullification" which is support by Supreme Court decisions basically says a juror is free to NOT convict a person guilty of violation of an unjust law. The pot rights people used it in the past and handled out information at court houses where people were being tried for possession of pot. Like sanctuary cities it is taking a page out of the play book of the liberals. And the beauty of "jury nullification" is it is legal and they can not take action against jurors who exercise this right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrabbyOldGuy View Post
    Exactly what came to mind when I wrote it. Yet, I recall an incident locally this summer where folks actively interfered with ICE and there were apparently no repercussions even though the videos were repeatedly aired on the news. So, clearly, people have selective views.
    Maybe I didn't state it correctly, current Immigration Santuary Entities will definitely support "their" approved resistance but won't tolerate a non-PC/progressive accepted resistance such as 2nd Amendment! The next step will be as some Virginia Counties are doing by forming active Militias. That could lead to armed confrontations and are what I meant by "push to shove". I pray it doesn't but at some point there does seem to be a reckoning on "Rights" coming, doesn't it?

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    Having been a union steward in a police department and looking at existing law I see this very differently than some.

    Current law applies to all government employees . The proposed bill would limit the strike prohibition to public safety only. Probably written by AFSCME so their people in non safety related jobs can strike.
    This does not create any new threat to law enforcement officers as they are already subject to the existing law. All the new bill does is exclude everybody else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nmuskier View Post
    How does the governor get to tell a Sheriff who to deputize?
    He can't. County sheriffs have a lot of authority and power. Even more so that state police, from what I have been told. Sheriffs are voted into office by We the People, not appointed by some mayor, town council, or even a governor.
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