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This is a discussion on Change within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by DavesYourUncle While the Democrat Party of the 1960's was already starting along the road to Progressivism as Leftist academia was starting to ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavesYourUncle View Post
    While the Democrat Party of the 1960's was already starting along the road to Progressivism as Leftist academia was starting to infiltrate politics and early education, the norm was still common sense, freedom, and the preservation of rights. Current Democrats would have been run out of town as Communists, with only a very few to defend them.

    Growing up in the '70's and '80's, we viewed the protection of freedom as the most important role of government. I knew of nobody who would have tolerated deep government involvement in their lives. It seems like people today, especially young people, not only tolerate it but welcome it. "Freedom" has a different meaning now. Rather than the freedom to reap and retain the rewards of hard work in a field of your choosing, they see it as freedom to explore non-conventional lifestyles detached from the necessity and reward of hard work, where they depend on government to sustain them economically. These people naturally favor hard socialist and communist systems for obvious reasons. We think Bernie is a hypocritical old fool, but he is counting on this rising demographic for his own success, and to some extent it's working.

    Young school-age children are not being taught the economic, social, spiritual or personal benefits of free market Capitalism. Rather than being taught to develop their talents to be successful, contributing members of society, they are taught to "follow their dreams" for personal enlightenment even if doing so makes them a drain on the economy or a burden to others. They are taught that their actions have no lasting consequence beyond their own hermetic lives, and their continued pursuit of personal "happiness" requires an absolution of personal responsibility. When faced with the realities of life, they are repulsed and frightened, and those who present them with reality are viewed as evil and hurtful. They truly cannot understand the values upon which this country was founded, and they reject them outright.

    Yes, JFK and others would be appalled by what is going on in their own party today. In fact they probably wouldn't even be Democrats in today's climate.
    Very well said!

    Being a late boomer kid (born '57) I can only attest to the late 60's and 70's being a sort of major turning point. But with what I do know of the culture back in the 50's I can see the resemblance. My older sister (born '48) was a kid growing up in the 50's so her habits spilled into my lifetime. But overall, history our culture has changed steadily since the birth of this nation. The turn of the 20th century wasn't a catalyst it was just a point in time that correlated with a quickly forming exodus from agriculture to city. The industrial revolution as it's called. That was a natural part of growing up. A bad part it seems.

    But to put cultural change into perspective such as this I believe it needs to go back even further than the turn of the century to the mid 1800's, after the fur trade but before the Civil war. Towns were being settled, guns were being outlawed in towns, some folks retaliated against those laws, but overall we know who ultimately won those battles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldIthink View Post
    Very well said!

    Being a late boomer kid (born '57) I can only attest to the late 60's and 70's being a sort of major turning point. But with what I do know of the culture back in the 50's I can see the resemblance. My older sister (born '48) was a kid growing up in the 50's so her habits spilled into my lifetime. But overall, history our culture has changed steadily since the birth of this nation. The turn of the 20th century wasn't a catalyst it was just a point in time that correlated with a quickly forming exodus from agriculture to city. The industrial revolution as it's called. That was a natural part of growing up. A bad part it seems.

    But to put cultural change into perspective such as this I believe it needs to go back even further than the turn of the century to the mid 1800's, after the fur trade but before the Civil war. Towns were being settled, guns were being outlawed in towns, some folks retaliated against those laws, but overall we know who ultimately won those battles.
    What took place 50's was the country was going through some major changes after WWII. Men were coming home from the war and they did something most anyone else would do. They had been through a major depression and a major world war and many of them had seen a lot of life and death during those fifteen or so years. They just wanted to come back home, find a nice place to settle down, and live out their lives in peace. Who could blame them? But there were sinister forces at work from both without and within and our men who came home, through no fault of their own, let down their guard.

    Their peaceful and normal life wasn't prepared for the undercurrent moves that were afoot. These sinister forces moved into the media, the entertainment industry, academia, and business. And by the advent of the 60's, they were well entrenched and ready to make their moves. Enter the counter culture revolution with their drugs, their unpatriotic ways, and their professing of communism and revolutionary was. Marx and Mao were their heroes. Drugs were their escape and their tools to crash through the doors of "uptight America". And the Vietnam "War"was a major ally in their "struggle" to change America, really to tear it down and remake it.

    They weren't quite ready and by the 70's, there were no real new radical heroes to throw at the "establishment". Carter wasn't going to work. And McGovern didn't work. Timothy Leary was too old. They had a spark with Nixon resigned but for them, the 70's was a wasted decade. Then came Reagan.

    Horrors upon horrors, a classic conservative was in the white house and the nation was rallying behind him. The radicals had to once again go underground until their real savor emerged. The 90's proved to be their time, or so they believed. Clinton was in office. Young, charismatic, and married to one of them who could raise them up from the underground and bring forth their utopia. But '94 issued in a republican congress and put a halt to Bill and Hillary's plans. Bummer, back to the underground.

    George Bush II stole the election, in their mind, from one of them, AlGore, so they had to wait. And then he appeared. The Messiah, in the form of the perfect leader of their cause; Obama. He was everything they could have wished for and more. Now there was no more waiting. Now they could really begin to put their grand plan into motion. Now there was no going back. But Obama hit a bit of a stone wall and had to play carefully. His problem is that he ran out of time. Enter Hillary. Even better than Obama for the anointed. No chance she would fail and she was certain to win... until she also ran into a brick wall. The impossible happened.

    These people are not finished and will never finish until they manage to implement their grand plan. If only we would listen to them and follow them, we would all be better off. They know more than do we and are privy to the ultimate goal. If we would just listen to them. Since we don't, they must find ways to make us listen to them whether we like it or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoyVA View Post
    What took place 50's was the country was going through some major changes after WWII. Men were coming home from the war and they did something most anyone else would do. They had been through a major depression and a major world war and many of them had seen a lot of life and death during those fifteen or so years. They just wanted to come back home, find a nice place to settle down, and live out their lives in peace. Who could blame them? But there were sinister forces at work from both without and within and our men who came home, through no fault of their own, let down their guard.
    How's that saying go?

    Bad times make strong me;
    Strong men make good times;
    Good times make weak men;
    Weak men make bad times.

    Rinse, and repeat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merovius View Post
    How's that saying go?

    Bad times make strong me;
    Strong men make good times;
    Good times make weak men;
    Weak men make bad times.

    Rinse, and repeat.
    A generational principle that is explicated in the book entitled "The Fourth Turning" by Howe & Strauss.

    This is a bit off-topic, I know, but:

    There are forces at work in life, the interaction of which go far to explain the situations we find ourselves in. Some have been mentioned in this thread and I'll add another: propaganda/advertising as promulgated by Edward Bernays. His history and development of the use of psychology to influence and control masses of people along was a seminal contribution upsetting the balance of power in the US. Add the broad expansion of mass communication via radio and especially Television along with the entertainment business and you have the perfect vehicles for disseminating information, true or false. Then the monetization of the news changed that from a somewhat disinterested element to one having the purpose of making money and selling ads. That gave them an agenda that opened the door much more widely to corruption of their true purpose–impartial news.

    There are other forces at work but that deserves it's own thread.
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    We won't ever be able to effectively fight communism until we recognize it's root cause.

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