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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallsrider View Post
    Elections are incredibly fluid. Just when I get shocked with an election and think I have seen it all, the next one shocks me even more. I have been surprised so many times over the years, some good, some bad, but I decided in the last few years to never assume an election outcome, no matter what the media pundits tell us.

    One thing is for sure... whether it is this election, the next one, or the one after that, this country is going to elect a very anti-gun president. It is going to happen. We have to brace ourselves for it. I only hope we get the chance to get at least one more conservative Justice on the Supreme Court before that happens.
    I agree with you. The other silver lining is there is a very good chance we could keep the Senate red for a a few more elections. That could block anti-gun legislation and also it would moderate future SCOTUS nominees of a future liberal president.
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    One thing I hope people will remember is that the shifting demographics, redistricting, fraud, etc. is limited by the voter turnout between the two parties. Presidential elections draw something like 70-75% of voters. That means a bunch still stay home. If conservatives can outdo the other side for additional turnout, those demographic barriers could be overcome. Historically, millennials don't have a good turnout track record. That gives us an opening.
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    We are always one election and a few votes away from becoming a socialist country and loosing the Second Amendment. Many of the states are already socialist and anti-Second Amendment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KILTED COWBOY View Post
    Or like the new census coming out where illegals are counted for representatives in congress.
    More illegals counted the more congress critters the state gets.
    That is not new. All people who "live" in the US are counted regardless if they are citizens or immigrants (legal or not). That has always been the case. They have had the question on the census in years past regarding a persons immigration status, but it was only used for data gathering. They were still "counted" for the basis of representation in congress. Personally, I think our representatives should be based on citizens within each state. That might take a few electoral votes from that state.

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    It's a good idea that everyone get active on social media and correct the lies people tell about the second amendment with truth. Get as specific as possible. Biden recently lied about being against the second amendment, so the easy and correct thing to do is point out that he lied and post videos showing his anti-2A stances. Get specific about his voting record too. Mainstream media mostly leans left and gatekeeps who comes on their TV shows, but try as they might (and they definitely do!) they can't completely silence pro-2A information on social media. It may be popular to bash social media, but far more people use it than watch CNN. Do what you can to educate people with the truth, or the anti-2A people will happily educate them with lies. An informed electorate is a good electorate, so do your part.

    As far as voting goes, it's a binary choice, plain and simple. Due to the electoral college either a republican or democrat will hold office, which is why Bernie Sanders who is an independent is running for president as a democrat for example. I don't like that and our founding fathers weren't big on political parties either, but it's the world we live in and not the perfect world we could come up with on paper. Trump hasn't been perfect. I'll never defend him for stupidly banning bumpstocks, and that's coming from someone who never had a desire to own one. But if democrats gain more power they'll ban a whole lot more. Don't take my word for it, take the democrats at their word and look at their voting records. Also reject that lie about there being pro-second amendment democrat politicians these days. There aren't. When they try to BS you with that, take a good look at Conor Lamb, Joe Manchin, etc. They'll talk big about representing their constituents, but their voting record always shows otherwise, and at the end of the day they'll do what Pelosi and Schumer want them to.

    And even if you don't like Trump, would you rather he be the one to pick supreme court nominees or the democrats? It's useful to have pro-2A members of congress and a pro-2A president, but when it comes down to it what's especially important is having pro-2A members of the supreme court. Presidents are in for eight years max and party changes do happen in congress, but the supreme court appointments are for life and their members decide on whether or not a law will stand. If you are voting for a democrat you are voting against the second amendment. If you're voting for Trump and other republicans, as flawed as they are ,they're by default more pro-2A than democrats and will be able to provide the votes needed for another potential Trump supreme court pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallsrider View Post
    Elections are incredibly fluid. Just when I get shocked with an election and think I have seen it all, the next one shocks me even more. I have been surprised so many times over the years, some good, some bad, but I decided in the last few years to never assume an election outcome, no matter what the media pundits tell us.

    One thing is for sure... whether it is this election, the next one, or the one after that, this country is going to elect a very anti-gun president. It is going to happen. We have to brace ourselves for it. I only hope we get the chance to get at least one more conservative Justice on the Supreme Court before that happens.
    We've had a bunch of very anti-gun presidents already--FDR, LBJ, Nixon, Carter, and Obama immediately come to mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    We've had a bunch of very anti-gun presidents already--FDR, LBJ, Nixon, Carter, and Obama immediately come to mind.
    True, but not on the same level as our current crop of liberal candidates, IMO. They seem to have almost become rabid about it. At the very least, they are more vocal about it than they used to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastOfBurden View Post
    It's a good idea that everyone get active on social media and correct the lies people tell about the second amendment with truth. Get as specific as possible. Biden recently lied about being against the second amendment, so the easy and correct thing to do is point out that he lied and post videos showing his anti-2A stances. Get specific about his voting record too. Mainstream media mostly leans left and gatekeeps who comes on their TV shows, but try as they might (and they definitely do!) they can't completely silence pro-2A information on social media. It may be popular to bash social media, but far more people use it than watch CNN. Do what you can to educate people with the truth, or the anti-2A people will happily educate them with lies. An informed electorate is a good electorate, so do your part.
    I did that once on Facebook. Most of the comments were intended to ridicule gun owners. Anyway, there were too much nonsensical and too many ridiculous comments to refute all of them. I guess it's the anti-gun playbook where they can't use logic so they resort to nonsensical and ridiculous comments. Not worth my time to respond.
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    Maine had record turnout on Super Tuesday. Both sides.

    Gerrymandering is also a huge risk, over time.
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    I still think Florida is in good shape 2A-wise. Most of the anti-gun bills introduced have so far not seen the light of day, and our governor is a 2A supporter, unlike that lying, turncoat prior-governor/now senator RINO Scott.

    We haven't fallen backwards on 2A, but we haven't moved forward noticeably either. Pretty much maintaining status quo here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho41 View Post
    That is not new. All people who "live" in the US are counted regardless if they are citizens or immigrants (legal or not). That has always been the case. They have had the question on the census in years past regarding a persons immigration status, but it was only used for data gathering. They were still "counted" for the basis of representation in congress. Personally, I think our representatives should be based on citizens within each state. That might take a few electoral votes from that state.
    I know it is not new to count everyone. I also do not think that non citizens should be counted as to how many representatives a state gets. They should only be representing legal citizens. The count should only be to see how many are here legal or illegal.
    I think most people would have a cow if they knew what the actual numbers were, not what they are lying to us about

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    I would not get too worried about anything said by any pundit or organization that relies, in any way, on polling data...

    One thing that media still has not figured out, and may never figure out is this: CORE TRUMP VOTERS DO NOT TALK TO POLLSTERS.

    This factor is continually overlooked by everyone who talks publicly about politics. I have been closely observing the correlation, or lack thereof, between all the "trusted" polls and the actual results, since the 2016 election. In my considered opinion, people who are likely Trump voters are so profoundly distrustful of media and ALL media adjuncts, that they just hang up on pollsters, and do not answer surveys. They don't talk to media, and in large part they do not spend a lot of time arguing on social media either (those that do have been censored a lot of the time anyway). In this current era, predictions are anybody's guess, really.

    At some point, our ability to look into the future through polling might return to something like "normal", but for now, you have to pay attention and form your own ideas, because in the realm of politics, none of the old standbys are reliable anymore.
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    Just remember, everything that happened in Germany in the years leading up to and including WWII was perfectly "legal". When law becomes evil, who is more moral, the law abiding or the outlaw?

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    I am vigilant but not worried. I realize how important this is for our 2A rights as well as filling the courts and probably two SCOTUS vacancies. I just think Trump has this. He is doing great. Equally important, it looks like the dems are going to nominate a senile old man. One thing to remember, this is not the Biden of the previous elections. This is the crazy loon Biden. He used to be a middle of the road. Now he is taking extreme left positions that are probably not popular with whatever relatively normal dem voters are left. His pro-illegal alien policies are very unpopular. He can't do a town hall without cursing and yelling at the people there to see him. Check out the recent one where he swore at the person asking about gun control and then shushed a female staffer that tried to stop him. The guy is now doing 7 minute speeches to minimize his being so confused. The longest speech he made in the past week was 15 minutes! Now he wants a chair to sit down for the next debate. I am amazed at how rapidly he has gone downhill and can only imagine what he will be like closer to the election.

    Also his son and Ukraine will be an issue. Hunter Biden just skipped out of his paternity hearing because of corona virus:
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...pregnant-wife/

    I think Trump can beat Biden. I especially think Trump can beat this loon Biden we have been seeing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMinSC View Post
    I am vigilant but not worried. I realize how important this is for our 2A rights as well as filling the courts and probably two SCOTUS vacancies. I just think Trump has this. He is doing great. Equally important, it looks like the dems are going to nominate a senile old man. One thing to remember, this is not the Biden of the previous elections. This is the crazy loon Biden. He used to be a middle of the road. Now he is taking extreme left positions that are probably not popular with whatever relatively normal dem voters are left. His pro-illegal alien policies are very unpopular. He can't do a town hall without cursing and yelling at the people there to see him. Check out the recent one where he swore at the person asking about gun control and then shushed a female staffer that tried to stop him. The guy is now doing 7 minute speeches to minimize his being so confused. The longest speech he made in the past week was 15 minutes! Now he wants a chair to sit down for the next debate. I am amazed at how rapidly he has gone downhill and can only imagine what he will be like closer to the election.

    Also his son and Ukraine will be an issue. Hunter Biden just skipped out of his paternity hearing because of corona virus:
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...pregnant-wife/

    I think Trump can beat Biden. I especially think Trump can beat this loon Biden we have been seeing.
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