Known Ayoob as a trainer and friend for almost 20 years. Ask him next time you see him, which is more important..bullet placement or the bullet, or ask Jeff Cooper what is more important, the gun or the man behind the gun.Euclidean said:KC I dig what you're saying, but the fact of the matter is that the ammunition is what actually makes it all possible. The ammunition is what we're counting on. We need to be just as picky about it as we are about our tactics and tools. It doesn't matter how good you are, if you're firing ball ammo out of a typical modern pistol that eats anything you feed it, you're not using all of your advantages.
I don't agree with everything any guru says but Ayoob once wrote a real good piece on ammunition selection and its importance, if anyone remembers it.
Actually one of the last of the Great White (African) Hunters from the turn of the last century (1800s - 1900s), Karamojo Bell, IIRC or maybe Major Selous (For whom the famed Selous Scouts were named) took nearly all of the large dangerous game on that continent with a 6mm which is a 243. Took elephant and rhino with eyeball shots on a regular basis.Euclidean said:I believe even Colonel Cooper has trashed various calibers on the basis they weren't up to snuff on more than one occassion. There's a reason even the most skilled hunters don't hunt buffalo with a .243. The cartridge has got to be up to the job.
Your number three is so good and so correct I couldn't have ever said it better. In fact I may make the phrase a part of my CCW Lesson Plans.Euclidean said:Well there you go. I hereby introduce Euclidean's Law.
Euclidean's Law: Anything speculated by the poster Euclidean will eventually be proven total crap in reality at some point in time.
But seriously, I'm honestly shocked that there's an anatomical weakness in those big animals that allows for penetration of such a small round, that and I feel it's an unfair comparison. Self defense is not a sporting game where we get to carefully set up and choose our shots.
What's funny is I've had this same debate before in real life, and the people always telling me that I might as well use a .22 as anything else all tend to carry .45 ACP chambered firearms. So it's okay for them to use a real service caliber with adequate power, but me, I should just stick to pea shooters... :tongue:
The more I learn about the dynamics of these situations from what others tell me, I come to three conclusions:
1. If you can't connect, you're sunk. A miss with a .45 ACP is just as ineffective as a miss with a .38 Special. A badly placed shot might as well be considered a miss. ExSoldier762:Here I disagree. A badly placed 45 is still going to induce greater shock than a badly placed ANYTHING smaller.
2. If you can connect and you don't take the opportunity to do as much damage as you can with what you have to work with, you may very well be pissing your own life away.
3. Tack driving accuracy is not the goal of the combat shooter. The goal is to be consistently able to hit meaningful targets under a variety of conditions. A good combat shooter is someone who can put it in the COM regardless of whether or not the target is moving, regardless of whether or not the shooter is moving, regardless of lighting conditions, etc.
The trouble is this is all so much easier said than done... you can work your whole life on it and never get it right.