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I am having a few issues with CC'ing. One because it has recently started getting a bit chilly here and it's now jacket weather and the other because I just hadn't reallly thought of it before. Lets start with the latter.

I'm screwed when I am in my car. I carry a Glock 19 IWB at around 3:30 to 4 o'clock. I find this position pretty comfortable (Even while sitting which amazed me a bit) but I have realized that when taking into account that I am basically leaning on the gun, I have a shirt over it and I have a seat belt on, there's no chance I could actually draw it if I needed to.

I already have a feeling I know the solution to this one. The problem is I don't want to have to take my gun off and put it back on every time I get in and out of the car. This is mainly for 2 reasons. There's a good chance someone would see it while I am wrestling it on and off. And second, I often times have people that are anti gun in the car (Such as my mother) and don't really like to make people uncomfortable. Any suggenstions?

Issue number 2. Carrying IWB with a shirt over it AND a jacket/coat. This is yet another situation where it is incredibly hard to draw. Not only do I have to get past my coat but I need to get past my cover shirt as well. This isn't so much of an issue if we are going someplace I don't have to remove my jacket (Like the grocery store) as I would just not wear a cover shirt because the coat would hide it but places where I do remove my jacket (like a restaurant) pose a issue. Any suggestions?
 

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I understand. As you mentioned, a lot of the 'issues' are due to life style and who is around you. The day will come when I'm armed to the teeth, and nobody will care or notice. However, for now, I deal with having my kids friends piled in the car, getting hugs from folks at church, etc... As much as I love having the G19 with me, these days it's in a pancake holster in my trunk. I can slip it on easily when I'm doing parts of my job that are a little dicey, and I've scaled my EDC back to an LCP that I carry in a wallet holster in my back pocket. It's not the best solution, but there's no chance of me getting 'made', and I always have it with me.

FWIW...
 

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For the first area,.. Practice, practice, practice,.. You'll find a way to be able to retrieve it if needed.. You really would want to trip the seat belt if your in a defensive situation... But to each there own.. Practice what works for you..

For the second problem.. Practice, practice, practice,.. You'll find dressing differently will change daily.. Just practice with all your different cloths including a coat too.. You'll find bringing your thumb on your strong hand up allong your pants will get your hand in possition to grab your weapon.. But then again,.. Practice,. Without practice it is just words,.. What works for one, may not work for another,.... You'll find your own if you keep searching for what works for you..
 

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Better to have a gun on you thats harder to get to than to not have a gun at all and be in the McDonalds when the shooter comes in.
 

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For the first area,.. Practice, practice, practice,..

For the second problem.. Practice, practice, practice,..
Agreed ...

We all have to deal with these issues more or less. Carrying a gun fulltime is not for everybody and/or every circumstance. It's not a hobby, it's a lifestyle. You need to learn to dress around your gun. Everyday may be different as is every situation. The more you practice every scenario with every variable, the more muscle memory you will build. Eventually, it becomes automatic and may take some time, but, sooner or later, you will be confident in your carrying and it will become second nature.
 

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You may want to consider looking at different coats and seeing if one would lend itself to tailoring - you can make one of the pockets open (thus rendering it useless for holding things) allowing easy access inside the coat. Perhaps if you put the gun in a different location you'd be able to easily reach in through the jacket, while driving. Thus not requiring removal.

I feel fortunate that the only persons who are ever passenger in my car have no problems with seeing a gun in the car. I remove it, and my cell phone, before driving. Becomes habit quickly.
 

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You could try a shoulder holster, In the fall, winter and spring its what i use.
 

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The more I think about it the more I am thinking I may just carry my LCP. Since it can go in my coat pocket I never have to worry about getting past 2 layers of clothing to get to it and it would be easily accessable when driving.
 

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"Two Guns"
The one you already have & another in an ankle holster.
The situation you describe is one of many reasons why I am a fan of multi gun carry.

"My name is Biker. I carry guns, not a gun."

Biker
 

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The more I think about it the more I am thinking I may just carry my LCP. Since it can go in my coat pocket I never have to worry about getting past 2 layers of clothing to get to it and it would be easily accessable when driving.
I would bet I can pull my weapon and empty the mag,. from my car seat, truck seat or bike quicker they you could get an LCP out of your pocket from sitting in a car,... Pocket carry has it's place, but I don't think that is a better choice from your above post,... Just IMHO
 

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Hey Rollo-- for short trips I keep my G23 in the holster but adjust it right when I sit down (practice it a bit and you should find a comfortable-'ish' position) and for long trips I stash it in my center console and 'arm up' before reaching my destination at a stop light, gas station, etc. Doesn't solve all your problems, just how I manage the issue. It does seem to cut into the seat back a bit when it's on me too...

Second issue: when you aren't going to remove your coat (or even when you are), I tuck the cover shirt behind the Glock so that way you only have one layer to get past before *Glock-rockin'-sweetness* access. In the same idea, you can discreetly move your cover shirt over the firearm before taking off your coat if need be.
 

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A shoulder holster solves your problems. You can wear it under your shirt if you're going to be taking your jacket off a lot.

They have a "smart carry" style as well that is all fabric for an under-the-garment concealed shoulder holster setup. I don't know the mfg as I am not interested in this myself but it may be the answer for you.

Finally, CC is NOT a "quick draw" solution. Situational awareness is primary. Secondary is "how do I get out of here?" Third, is draw and fire if there is no other option. Given these 3 "steps" and sitting in a 3000 lb deadly missile I have several other options for self defense than needing to immediately draw my EDC. ESPECIALLY with a car load of family/kids.
 

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The more I think about it the more I am thinking I may just carry my LCP. Since it can go in my coat pocket I never have to worry about getting past 2 layers of clothing to get to it and it would be easily accessable when driving.
I'd keep carrying the gun you currently CC, in the same way that you CC now, and add the LCP in the coat pocket for the time that you are in the car.

Problem solved.
 

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Not that it is all that helpful for you, left handed carry does not have the seatbelt issues in the car. Maybe a cross draw holster (on your left with the grip toward the front of you)

Lefties rule!
 

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I would recommend tucking your shirt behind the gun. This worked well for me last Fall and Winter. I'm still waiting for it to get cool enought here in Texas to allow a light jacket to provide "Cover" for my pistola.
 

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When I can't carry I have a fanny pack as a storage place for my P9. In the car while I commute it is unzipped with my weapon available. I try to keep my gun holstered as much as possible.
 

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What Biker and Agentmel said. Learned a long time ago the hard way have a spare gun or guns. A shoulder holster might privide a good solution. I personaly do not like IWB. I carry OWB and find it much easier and faster to access my weapon.

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Just keep a second gun in the car.

Mel
This is what I do. I have one ready to go if I needed it and couldn't reach my CC.
 
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