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My Comments = Massive Gun Grab Legislation (Dem controlled State House, State Senate and Gov = 'Moon Beam' Jerry Brown, ouch, CA self-inflicted wound X 3 Terms!) hearings.

My Comments = If you are in NorCal, and can afford to take a day (or two off) and attend these Protests, please do so. Read the below Bills, they are turning EVERY firearms owner into a potential Felon.


Bill Summary (what is going to be on the Progressive Anti-Gun Agenda):

• Assembly Bill 760 - (Dickinson) imposes a sales tax of .05 cents per ammunition component (complete cartridge, bullet or case).

• Senate Bill 47 - (Yee) expands the definition of “Assault Weapons” to BAN the future sale of rifles that have been designed/sold and are equipped to use the “bullet button” or similar device, requires NEW “assault weapon” registration, requires registration of ALL those semi-auto rifles that are currently possessed to retain legal possession in the future, and subjects these firearms to all other “assault weapons” restrictions.

• Senate Bill 53 - (DeLeon) requires persons to buy an annual ammunition purchase permit, requires the registration and thumbprint of the purchaser for each ammunition purchase, and bans online and mail order sales of ammunition to Californians.

• Senate Bill 108 - (Yee) requires mandatory locked storage of firearms within a locked house regardless of whether anyone is present.

• Senate Bill 127 - (Gaines) Firearms: Would require Dept of State Hospitals and psychotherapists to provide reports on persons who would be prohibited from possession or sale of a firearm to Dept of Justice in electronic form within 24 hours.

• Senate Bill 293 - (DeSaulnier) bans the sale of conventional handguns, if the Department of Justice approves the sale of “Owner Authorized – Smart” handgun technology.

• Senate Bill 299 - (DeSaulnier) turns victims of firearm theft into criminals for failing to report the loss of their firearm within 48 hours.

• Senate Bill 363 - (Wright) Mirrors AB500 provision that all firearms in a household with a prohibited person must be secured in a locked container or locking device.

• Senate Bill 374 - (Steinberg) expands the definition of “assault weapons” to BAN the future sale of VIRTUALLY ALL semi-auto rifles (including rimfire cartridges) that accept a detachable magazine, requires NEW “assault weapon” registration, requires registration of ALL those semi-auto rifles that are currently possessed to retain legal possession in the future, and subjects these firearms to all other “assault weapons” restrictions.

• Senate Bill 396 - (Hancock) bans the possession of any magazine with a capacity to accept more than 10 cartridges, including currently legally possessed "grandfathered" large capacity magazines.

• Senate Bill 475 - (Leno) Firearms sales at the Cow Palace. Would require prior approval of the San Mateo County board of supervisors & City & County of San Francisco in order to allow a event (gun show) that sells firearms or ammunition

• Senate Bill 567 - (Jackson) changes the technical definition of a shotgun, which would turn all handguns into short-barrel shotguns that are illegal to own.

• Senate Bill 755 - (Wolk) Firearms prohibited persons. Adds a list of misdemeanors that would trigger the 10 year ban on ownership of firearms or ammunition.

More information and coordination at: APR 15,16 HEARINGS WE MUST SHOW UP! - Calguns.net
 

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Good Lord. That will work..:rolleyes:
 

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  • Define so-called "assault" weapons to be essentially anything with a magazine.
  • Define so-called "assault" weapons to include practically anything in which one pull of the trigger yields one fired cartridge.
  • Define shotguns to be handguns, too.
  • Define prohibited persons to be anyone with a felony or misdemeanor offense.
  • Criminalize darned near everything else, threatening everyone with being a criminal under these new rules. The only non-criminals will be those without guns or ammo.


Yup. That about does it. Redefine it, and they will come. Asparagus is the new milkshake.

I'm officially in amazement. The invasion of the body snatchers is in full swing.
 

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I would just move, and that's just what I did.
 
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I bet criminals are goin to look at some of these laws and say, "Dat law makes allotta sense. Im's gunna obey dat 'un!"
 

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Not good. However, the NRA (or the OP's source) is exaggerating the effect of SB 567 as, "turn[ing] all handguns into short-barrel shotguns that are illegal to own." The bill doesn't change the definition of a shotgun as including its requirement, "to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell". I'm not sure how the definition change makes anything illegal.
So, at least handguns seem safe from the rabid grabbers... er, those handguns on the DOJ's "safe" gun list, that is.
 

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WHY would any person or company ever want to stay in Comiefornia?:banghead::confused:
 

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WHY would any person or company ever want to stay in Comiefornia?:banghead::confused:
I just hope the ones who ruined it stay there and don't bring their liberal crap my way.
 

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I just hope the ones who ruined it stay there and don't bring their liberal crap my way.
Actually, the local news just covered a bunch of Berkely and SF hippies migrating to Alabama this evening.................. (joking - or am I).

The snake is only killed when the head is cut off.
 

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The bill doesn't change the definition of a shotgun as including its requirement, "to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell". I'm not sure how the definition change makes anything illegal.
I don't quite understand the above. If they change the definition to be any firearm capable of firing a fixed shotgun shell, then a lot of handguns would fit the definition. There are 'rat' cartridges I've seen advertised in the back of NRA magazines. Also, why change the definition if it dosn't do anything. You can bet the definition change does something, and it's not good.
 

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I don't quite understand the above. If they change the definition to be any firearm capable of firing a fixed shotgun shell, then a lot of handguns would fit the definition. There are 'rat' cartridges I've seen advertised in the back of NRA magazines. Also, why change the definition if it dosn't do anything. You can bet the definition change does something, and it's not good.
LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL’S DIGEST

SB 567, as amended, Jackson. Firearms: shotguns.

Existing law, for purposes of specified provisions, defines shotgun as a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of projectiles (ball shot) or a single projectile for each pull of the trigger.

This bill would revise the definition of a shotgun to delete the requirement that it be intended to be fired from the shoulder, and would clarify that the projectile may be fired through either a rifled bore or a smooth bore.begin insert This bill would also delete an erroneous cross-reference.
Shot shell cartridges are not shotgun shells. It seems quite a legal stretch, even in California, to say that shot shell cartridges are shotgun shells and so making all (or most?) handguns illegal as short barrelled shotguns. It doesn't make sense. The first and last courts to hear that will throw it out on its ear or I'm outta here. You can bet that. Maybe it's just legal housekeeping?
I have a request to reactivate my calguns account from whence the OP got the alert. I may carry on the discussion there if and when I am able.

I wonder how long it's going to take for states like CA, NY, NJ, CT and the other gun haters to put up control points to keep their residents in and others out. Papers, papers please.
Where's the interstate commerce clause when you need it?
 

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They will probably all pass. Every stupid law proposed in every stupid state lately has passed. Why not CA? I'm glad I don't live there anymore.
 

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Shot shell cartridges are not shotgun shells. It seems quite a legal stretch, even in California, to say that shot shell cartridges are shotgun shells and so making all (or most?) handguns illegal as short barrelled shotguns. It doesn't make sense. The first and last courts to hear that will throw it out on its ear or I'm outta here. You can bet that. Maybe it's just legal housekeeping?
I have a request to reactivate my calguns account from whence the OP got the alert. I may carry on the discussion there if and when I am able.


Where's the interstate commerce clause when you need it?
Sir,

I started to write a private message to you.............

Then I realized that too many US Citizens just don't give a crap about any Rights they have, and especially do not appreciate the 1A. The 2A is only dead when we decide it is.







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can't someone just put up barriers across the roads going in and out of california. the rest of us, don't need whats blowing out of there east. the midwest is still uncontaminated.
 

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I wonder how long it's going to take for states like CA, NY, NJ, CT and the other gun haters to put up control points to keep their residents in and others out. Papers, papers please.
Whell since you asked (and this is very public, so I might as well post this as an example), CA already PUNISHES people fleeing if they worked too many months in CA (in the year they leave) with taxes! If you worked one month in CA, the CA State Government taxes you for the year, and makes you prove that you were not here.......... Socialists!

As for CA Checkpoints, they already exist............ and it will not be long before they build them on the East Bound and North Bound roads so you have to sumit to being 'felt up' when EXITING CA (with your wealth........... Oh, So Sad, Too Bad)

As for Incoming, here are your work-arounds. Ferrets Anonymous- Home Page-
 

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can't someone just put up barriers across the roads going in and out of california. the rest of us, don't need whats blowing out of there east. the midwest is still uncontaminated.
Except for IL....and some buffoonery in MN
 

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WHY would any person or company ever want to stay in Comiefornia?:banghead::confused:
Much of it is incredibly beautiful, and the weather is fairly nice. Large, diverse economy. Ability to feed itself. Decently-trained workforce, overall. Good network of roads, basic infrastructure.

But the hired peons in the state legislature are strangling things to within an inch of the state's life. "Paved paradise" is happening on a biblical scale, statute-wise. 50+ years ago, it was truly something, there. Now, it's a shadow of what it once was.

Bend over, Spanky. Big Bro's gunnin' for ya.
 

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  • Define so-called "assault" weapons to be essentially anything with a magazine.
  • Define so-called "assault" weapons to include practically anything in which one pull of the trigger yields one fired cartridge.
  • Define shotguns to be handguns, too.
  • Define prohibited persons to be anyone who doesn't agree with them.
  • Criminalize darned near everything else, threatening everyone with being a criminal under these new rules. The only non-criminals will be those without guns or ammo.


Yup. That about does it. Redefine it, and they will come. Asparagus is the new milkshake.

I'm officially in amazement. The invasion of the body snatchers is in full swing.
There, I fixed it for you.
 
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