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Hello. I was able to do some informal tests comparing the "old technology" 158-gr. LSWCHP +P to Corbon's 110-gr. DPX +P as well as Speer's 135-gr. GDHP +P.

Accuracy testing was done at 10 yards. All firing was done with my usual "24/7 gun", a well-used S&W Model 642.


The worst group shot was with Remington's 158-gr. LSWCHP +P. The fact that it was the worst could also be because it was first! Frankly, all three loads grouped very well and I believe that at this range they were all probably capable of much, much tighter groups than I shot.


The best group of the day was fired with Speer's 135-gr. GDHP +P.

Average velocities were based on 10 shots fired 10' from the chronograph screens. Here are the results:

Corbon 110-gr. DPX +P: 1164 ft/sec

Speer 135-gr. GDHP +P: 921 ft/sec

Rem 158-gr. LSWCHP +P: 844 ft/sec

Fired into super-saturated newsprint which had soaked for 24 hours and been drained 30 minutes before shooting, the following penetration depths were recorded. Each is the average penetration based on 5 shots.

Corbon 110-gr. DPX +P: 8"

Speer 135-gr. GDHP +P: 7 1/2"

Remington 158-gr. LSWCHP +P: 8 1/2"


All expanded consistently and there was very little difference in penetration depths shot-to-shot with each load.

For those interested in a more detailed report, follow the link below:

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/38 Snub Ammo Test.htm

Best.
 

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Camp, I tell ya those little snubs are just so easy to carry. I am thinking about making my 637 my always gun. Thanks for the report. I carry the 125grain Speers will get the 135's soon. :35:
 

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Thank you for the info, all the loads seemed to perform very well. Personally I use the Speer for my SP-101 but that's just personal preference.
 

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Steve - thanks once more for some great info. :smilez:

As you note - expansion pretty good thru whole test range but have to say if I could get them, the Rem LSWHP's would appeal - most I guess because from days of old have always been into 158's!

Just thought out of interest I'd compare ME figures - so we get based on your chrono results -

Corbon 110-gr. DPX +P: 1164 ft/sec - 331 ft lbs ME

Speer 135-gr. GDHP +P: 921 ft/sec - 254 ft lbs ME

Rem 158-gr. LSWCHP +P: 844 ft/sec - 250 ft lbs ME

Interesting the CorBon comes out so far ahead! That was what I usually stoked my SP-101 with.
 

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10 yards??? i carry a s&w model 60 with hydro-shock +p+ as backup on duty, and as off duty/ 24/7. i hope i do not need to shoot anybody at 10 yards. i know that it will be closer than ten yards, point and shoot that is the real game. (been there and done that). my s&w groups good at point plank.
 

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I reckon "arm's length" might be a more realistic distance for us private citizens. The attempt was to see if the load was acceptably accurate, ie: not wild and all over the paper...as has happened with some loads tried in various snubs. Ten yards may very well be ten times the distance most of us will ever need to shoot...if ever, but if a handgun/cartridge combination is more than accurate enough at that "extended" distance, it shouldn't give any bad surprises closer.

I agree that close-in, fast and furious, is the usual deal...until it isn't. I just like to know if a load is capable of going where I want it whether at near contact distances to out a little.
 

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In a 38 snubbie I dislike shooting +P loads. Guess that's why I no longer own one. But believe it or not, the best performing ammo for the 38 snub is no longer being made. It was the Federal NYCLAD hollow point round and it was originally marketed for being clean to use. By happenstance it generated nearly full expansion at standard chamber pressures. Dunno why it was discontinued.
 

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Good review. And danged nice group with the Speer. Good shooting.
 

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I'm not an ammo guru so forgive me if this is a stupid question. But wasn't the Nyclad 9mm what was used during the Miami shootout? If so, perhaps that led to them dropping that line. Not that it was an ammo problem from what I understand, but perception can be reality.
 

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Stephen,
1st class as usual. Thank you very much for the info, I have some of the Federal Nyclad ammo but have switched all the snubs to the Speer Short Barrel ammo. Safe shooting and God Bless.
 

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The more I carry my Taurus 85, the more I feel inclined to sell my BIG pistols, and buy another Snubby. This time the hammerless version.
They are just so sweet to carry... I carry mine while riding my motorcycle in my nemesis holster in my front pocket. I forget its there at times....
 

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artz said:
The more I carry my Taurus 85, the more I feel inclined to sell my BIG pistols, and buy another Snubby. This time the hammerless version.
They are just so sweet to carry... I carry mine while riding my motorcycle in my nemesis holster in my front pocket. I forget its there at times....
Artz...that is the same problem I have. I know you should not carry for comfort but protection. However, my 37 SW is just to easy to carry. I was considering going with a smaller .45 caliber pistol, but I am thinking hard on going with another revolver snub.
 

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I carry the Speer load in my M37. For whatever reason, my M37 shoots VERY high with 158gr loads (5"-6" at 10yds), so I can't use the 158gr LSWCHP, but the Speer 135gr load is dead on. It's also more accurate than the heavier loads. I compared it to the WWB 125gr SJHP that walmart carries. Accuracy is about the same as is POI, but the WWB SJHP has much more flash. That alone was the deciding factor to go with the Speer load.

Chris
 

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Thank you, Mr. Camp, for the good information!
 
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