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I am thinking of buying a 1911 in 38 Special for an EDC. What is holding me back is the excessive muzzle flash of this caliber. For anyone already using this caliber and familiar with it, what defensive round do you use? Do you know of any with reduced muzzle flash? FYI, I am partial to Gold Dots.

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Sure you aren't talking about 38 Super?
 
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If you are not familiar with the caliber do not buy the gun. 38 super was introduced in the Bonnie and Clyde days to provide law enforcement with better fire power to keep up with the guns the criminals were using. Today I have only seen it used in shooting competitions. Honestly, any caliber from 9mm to .45 with the proper ammo selection will do the job. All of these calibers have brands that meet or exceed the FBI protocols and whether a 9mm or .45 hits the brain or spinal column, the results will be the same. If either misses the results will also be the same. Remember that we are talking fractions of an inch in bullet size and grams in weight. Handguns are poor stoppers as I learned in NAM. If the guy you shoot is not psychologically pre-disposed to stop when shot, he will be able to reach you before he bleeds out no matter if the hole was caused by a .45 or 9mm. On the other hand a shot to the brain with either caliber will stop him in his tracks.

I see police agencies go from 9 to .40 to 9 again and then to .45. A lot of times it has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the round but rather a gun or ammo contract that is cost effective or the result of a problem with their current setup. I know a lot of LEO in NYC and NJ who use 9mm +P and they swear by it. I personally know that a .45 is not super man stopper. Keep in mind that the one shot stop studies only included shootings where one shot was fired. That my be 100 out of 10,000 shootings for all you know. Also keep in mind that discussions on stopping power and which caliber is the best is often debated by people who never shot anyone or seen anyone shot. Even autopsies are often not good indicators. Sure they may show that a .45 +P tore up more tissue and did more damage than a 9mm does but it does not mean that the 9mm did not kill. Sort of like shooting someone in the face with a 12 gauge and a 20. The 12 will do more damage than the 20 but both will kill him dead.

If you like the 1911 format, try a 1911 in 9mm. Load it with +P Gold Dots and you will have a street proven round with real world effectiveness. Plus the ammo is cheaper and more readily available in all sorts of loadings.
 

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There is a 1911 chambered in 38 Special? I only knew of the 38 Super.
Colt use to chamber their 1911 in .38 AMU (Army Marksmanship Unit) and .38 Special Mid-Range (which was just the .38 AMU with a different case headstamp). They are just .38 Specials with a semi-rim.
 

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One is not likely to encounter one of these rare Colt variations for sale and the pistol wasn't designed for self-defense purposes but rather as a pure target competition gun.

I'd love to have one!
 

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Colt use to chamber their 1911 in .38 AMU (Army Marksmanship Unit) and .38 Special Mid-Range (which was just the .38 AMU with a different case headstamp). They are just .38 Specials with a semi-rim.
I did not know this.
 

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I did not know this.
Wow! I didn't either. That is a really interesting bit of historical fact, thanks for teaching me something new today.
 

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Colt use to chamber their 1911 in .38 AMU (Army Marksmanship Unit) and .38 Special Mid-Range (which was just the .38 AMU with a different case headstamp). They are just .38 Specials with a semi-rim.
Can’t speak for the AMU but the mid range target models used standard brass and full wadcutters.
 

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Just saw this resurrected thread.

Long since this thread was originally posted I picked up a 1961 example of a Colt National Match chambered for the .38 Special Mid Range. It's not a choice for serious self defense, but was strictly a target pistol offering in its day. It only accepts .38 Special ammunition prepared with mild powder charges and full wadcutter bullets seated flush with cartridge case mouth. It's quite accurate for the purpose. The magazine has a five round capacity. In its day it was in competition with the Smith & Wesson Model 52 which also was a special target pistol intended for bulls eye (now NRA Precision Pistol) competition. Most feel the Model 52 is the better pistol between the two. Colt shipped these National Match .38 Special Mid range pistols from 1960 to 1974.



This example was very much rode hard and put up wet which is how it came to roost here for less cash outlay. I would not have been able to afford one in fine condition for learning about the model and playing with it. Whoever had this pistol cared not for its fine factory finish and even apparently clamped it in a vise at some point. It exhibits much wear internally as if it's had the livin' hooey shot out of it. None the less it remains so very accurate with its intended ammunition that it makes anyone look like a proficient accuracy wiz. As could be expected, recoil is nil. It feeds the rimmed .38 Special ammunition with flush seated wadcutters so reliably that observing it function is as boring as watching a clothes dryer in operation. Loading the magazine is a chore. It's spring is surprisingly heavy and the design of the magazine's mouth is both sharp and pokey. The spring is so stiff that the magazine assists are of no help. It takes two men and a boy to load it all while taking care not to injury oneself.






It's still fun to play with.



 
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