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Was wondering if anybody has tried out the 5.11 Tactical AIWB polymer holster? Looks similar to a lot of the other kydex aiwb holsters out there but significantly less expensive. Is this one of those situations where you get what you pay for or is it a viable option? Is there a big difference between kydex and polymer is it the same stuff?

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Never tried one. They are made by Bladetech, who I happen to be a fan of, but based on the elements that I feel are needed for successful AIWB carry, I don't think I'd try it. Plus I don't care for those sort of clips.

I guess it's not a huge waste of money if it doesn't work well, so if you look at it that way, then maybe it'd be worth a try. I think I'd be more apt to spend more and go with something that has a reputation for being a solid AIWB choice, but that's just me.
 
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For what model gun would you be using it with?

If it's a sub-compact size weapon, then I would recommend you buy the holster for at least the compact or full size version of the gun you have. The longer the holster you can tolerate, the better and more stable the holster will ride. Short AIWB holsters usually want to tilt out over the belt and print badly, because most of the weight and leverage is above the belt. All my appendix holsters for my Glocks are made for G17 length even though I might carry a G19 or G26 in it.

The position of the belt clip seems to be a little high, which will cause the grip of the gun to be very close to the beltline. This can delay a good initial grip and fast draw. On the flip side, the belt clip will probably allow the holster to rotate a little bit for more comfort while sitting. It is also good that the holster is stiff and has a reinforced mouth opening so it doesn't close when you draw your weapon. This makes for a safer re-holster.

I have no experience with this holster, but have been carrying AIWB for years.
 

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I was hoping you two would stop by. :wink: dben002's thread about the issues he was having with the ride height of his G26 in an Old Faithful holster and your responses are what prompted this thread. I have an Old Faithful belly holster on the way for my P95 figuring if it worked for that pistol then it would definitely work for the G26 I plan on getting in the next few months. dben's thread has me nervous though that it's not a great option at all so I'm looking into actual AIWB holsters. Like dben, I'm nervous about forking over a bunch of money for a holster that may or may not work which lead to the search for an "economy" holster. If I have to pay out some decent cash for a Shaggy/Archangel/Keeper/etc. then I will, but thought I'd put some feelers out on this less expensive option.

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Never tried one. They are made by Bladetech, who I happen to be a fan of, but based on the elements that I feel are needed for successful AIWB carry, I don't think I'd try it. Plus I don't care for those sort of clips.

I guess it's not a huge waste of money if it doesn't work well, so if you look at it that way, then maybe it'd be worth a try. I think I'd be more apt to spend more and go with something that has a reputation for being a solid AIWB choice, but that's just me.
TX, I'm curious what features this holster is missing that you like to see in an AIWB setup. Thanks!

For what model gun would you be using it with?

If it's a sub-compact size weapon, then I would recommend you buy the holster for at least the compact or full size version of the gun you have. The longer the holster you can tolerate, the better and more stable the holster will ride. Short AIWB holsters usually want to tilt out over the belt and print badly, because most of the weight and leverage is above the belt. All my appendix holsters for my Glocks are made for G17 length even though I might carry a G19 or G26 in it.

The position of the belt clip seems to be a little high, which will cause the grip of the gun to be very close to the beltline. This can delay a good initial grip and fast draw. On the flip side, the belt clip will probably allow the holster to rotate a little bit for more comfort while sitting. It is also good that the holster is stiff and has a reinforced mouth opening so it doesn't close when you draw your weapon. This makes for a safer re-holster.

I have no experience with this holster, but have been carrying AIWB for years.
I have heard the holster length tip before so I was looking at the G19 holster for the G26 I plan on getting. As far as the ride height, while I don't want it to be quite as low as dben's pictures showed his riding in the other thread, I have a little bit of a belly so I'm wondering if a lower ride would be more comfortable/concealable for me?
 

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For what model gun would you be using it with?

If it's a sub-compact size weapon, then I would recommend you buy the holster for at least the compact or full size version of the gun you have. The longer the holster you can tolerate, the better and more stable the holster will ride. Short AIWB holsters usually want to tilt out over the belt and print badly, because most of the weight and leverage is above the belt. All my appendix holsters for my Glocks are made for G17 length even though I might carry a G19 or G26 in it.

The position of the belt clip seems to be a little high, which will cause the grip of the gun to be very close to the beltline. This can delay a good initial grip and fast draw. On the flip side, the belt clip will probably allow the holster to rotate a little bit for more comfort while sitting. It is also good that the holster is stiff and has a reinforced mouth opening so it doesn't close when you draw your weapon. This makes for a safer re-holster.

I have no experience with this holster, but have been carrying AIWB for years.
Deja Vu.........................but seriously..listen to these two gentlemen they are very experienced and knowledgeable about AIWB and have convinced me that a holster designed specifically for AIWB and firm is the way to go...Can't speak for this holster as I am going through AIWB specific carry holsters currently and these guys have been a big help....
 

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I was hoping you two would stop by. :wink: dben002's thread about the issues he was having with the ride height of his G26 in an Old Faithful holster and your responses are what prompted this thread. I have an Old Faithful belly holster on the way for my P95 figuring if it worked for that pistol then it would definitely work for the G26 I plan on getting in the next few months. dben's thread has me nervous though that it's not a great option at all so I'm looking into actual AIWB holsters. Like dben, I'm nervous about forking over a bunch of money for a holster that may or may not work which lead to the search for an "economy" holster. If I have to pay out some decent cash for a Shaggy/Archangel/Keeper/etc. then I will, but thought I'd put some feelers out on this less expensive option.

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TX, I'm curious what features this holster is missing that you like to see in an AIWB setup. Thanks!



I have heard the holster length tip before so I was looking at the G19 holster for the G26 I plan on getting. As far as the ride height, while I don't want it to be quite as low as dben's pictures showed his riding in the other thread, I have a little bit of a belly so I'm wondering if a lower ride would be more comfortable/concealable for me?
On your question to me:

Basically a good AIWB is going to have some design elements to keep the pistol positioned against your upper mid torso. A wedge or armature that helps push the upper part of the gun in, or the lower part of the gun out, helps hold it in the correct spot. That holster has neither, as far as I can tell; but obviously I could be incorrect beceuse I'm just looking at at from a limited number of angles.

On your question to tmoore:

Lower riding is fine as long as it isn't too low to prohibit a solid grip on the pistol when you need to present it; if you can't get fingers around the grip, then it's too low. One thing on a belly, and I obviously have no idea how much a "bit" is, but the more you have pushing that gun out of the proper position, the harder it is going to be to carry it successfully. I don't really know how much gut is too much, but I could see how it would interfere with the comfort and concealment of the AIWB position, so you'll have to judge that one for yourself.

It may be worth a shot, especially if you can find a coupon code or something that'll get you a discount. Lots of places sell 5.11 stuff so that should be pretty easy to find and then you could always sell it and get a little of your investment back if it's a bust.
 

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took the liberty of trying to illustrate where this holster will ride on your belt......not good in MHO....way to low...no grip.....

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Yeah, I just looked at it again and that M&P looks like it'd be way too low. Plus I don't want a flashlight stuck down my pants like that :embarassed:

The actual Bladetech one doesn't appear to sit the firearm that low, but even it doesn't look like it's got very much clearance.

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I'm just going to have to spend $65+ aren't I? lol
 

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I'm just going to have to spend $65+ aren't I? lol
Well look at it this way, as long as you aren't looking to pack a 7.5" Ruger Redhawk AIWB, you should be able to sell any of the popular holsters fairly easy.
 
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The Kydex AIWB holsters that are hot these days with guys that really want to carry Appendix (regardless of body type: slim/fat/pudgy) all the time and do a decent amount of training are The Keeper, Dark Star Gear and JM Custom Kydex. All three of those makers have design elements that help fit different body types.

Those design features are:

Adjustable ride height up or down
Wedge design at the belt attachment point that tucks in the grip of medium to full size guns
They will not make their holster as short as a sub-compact gun. (This is a big clue)
Ability to attach foam wedges on the back side of the holster. This aids in concealment and in making the re-holster safer.

The over all shape of the holster is important also. Ideally the bottom of the holster will be as narrow as possible and as long as possible. The narrowness helps when the wearer wants to bring it over as far as possible on the belt line and not stab himself in the leg. (Toward the 3:00 or 9:00 position). Usually chubby guys carrying AIWB want the gun as far away from the centerline as they can get it, because that is where their gut is located. Skinnier guys usually, but not always, want the gun to ride closer to the centerline where it conceals better. All the edges on the holster have nice comfortable round edges. Multiple belt attachments.
 

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And you most certainly couldn't go wrong with any of those that he mentioned; from either a well designed holster perspective or a resale value if it doesn't work for you perspective.
 

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AIWB from a fat guy's perspective:

I am 5'10" and 265lbs. I have a gut. I carry a Glock 17 in an archangel and I carry it right at 12:00. The gun actually sits under my gut, as that is where my pants sit. It is only uncomfortable if I am driving or sitting for extended periods of time (like several hours). If I am driving I can position the gun to be over my gut and that makes it more comfortable but unless I am going to be driving for a long time I don't worry about it. Wearing your belt loose really helps make AIWB comfortable. It allows the gun and holster to move with you as you walk, and I find with appendix carry you don't have to have your belt cinched super tight to hold everything up like with strongside carry. I use a wilderness tactical 5 stitch belt, the infinite adjustability of these types of belts really makes it easy to find a good spot to provide just enough tension.


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Great info, guys! Tmoore, I'll look into the holsters you mentioned. Thanks!
 

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Yeah, I just looked at it again and that M&P looks like it'd be way too low. Plus I don't want a flashlight stuck down my pants like that :embarassed:

The actual Bladetech one doesn't appear to sit the firearm that low, but even it doesn't look like it's got very much clearance.

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I might have to give the Bladetech a closer look....the clearance looks not bad to my eye.....

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I might have to give the Bladetech a closer look....the clearance looks not bad to my eye.....

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Personally I wouldn't bother unless you can find one used or something. As best I can tell, it isn't designed with the other elements we've been speaking about either. I could be wrong on this one too because I'm not looking at it from all angles, but it's also a little more expensive than the 5.11 so I don't really see anything compelling about it. The reason I posted it was simply to give the OP a comparison to another AIWB made by the same company.
 

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Personally I wouldn't bother unless you can find one used or something. As best I can tell, it isn't designed with the other elements we've been speaking about either. I could be wrong on this one too because I'm not looking at it from all angles, but it's also a little more expensive than the 5.11 so I don't really see anything compelling about it. The reason I posted it was simply to give the OP a comparison to another AIWB made by the same company.
Yep, your right about that, plus they don't make if for my weapon anyway.......but for an update...been wearing the archangle since about 10:00am yesterday...it's NICE..was a little uncomfortable at first until I realized I could loosen by belt.
(was using the same tension as with the old faithful)...now this thing is perfect...I may be falling in love.....LOL
 

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I have been using the Blade-tech Nano as an appendix carry holster. I have a Glock 26, but use the Glock 19 holster as I have found the smaller one "flops" over my belt-line as the the other gentlemen have stated. I have taken several classes with the Blade-tech Nano holster and it has worked great drawing from concealment from the appendix carry position.

What I like most about it are the adjustment of the two belt loops. You can easily adjust the cant of the gun. This allows me to hide the butt of the gun a little bit better. I prefer the two loops over clips because of the adjustability and also because it feels more secure. It feels like there is a little bit of play when I use the clip-style appendix carry holsters. The clips on my holsters have usually been wider than the two individual loops on my Blade-tech, and the two loops allow me to place the loops on either side of my belt loop. Invariably, the clips would usually interfere with my belt loops where I would prefer to carry my gun. I can also place the loops fairly wide compared to a clip, which adds to the stability of the holster.

The Blade-tech Nano is about $55 shipped from GT Distributos.
 
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