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Q: Most 9mm are rated +P. If your rated +P, then you should be fine with every 9mm (NATO, CIP, or SAAMI) right?

To start with a side topic, I believe a diet of 9mm Luger +P or NATO 9x19mm Parabellum, is going to increase the wear and tear on even a 9mm +P rated firearm. I imagine it will my thousands of rounds.

I was reading a different thread, and it was stated that 9mm FIOCCHI was:

...good ammo, little hotter than most. is loaded to NATO specs, rather than SAAMI...
I have been told this (more than once) and from personal experience would have stated Sellier & Bellot or Fiocchi are a little hotter. However, I also noticed the GR tends to be higher on the Sellier & Bellot rounds I've used, so I'm not sure.

I don't know if the grain of a round increase the PSI, or is it just the powder, or is it both. Since a higher grain round does increase the feel of recoil (it does for me), I'm not sure that feeling is always related to increased PSI.

Q: Non-NATO 9mm is termed Luger (both CIP and SAAMI use this term) however NATO is termed NATO 9x19mm Parabellum, and does not use Luger, right?

CIP 9mm Luger rated 34,080 PSI.
SAAMI 9mm Luger rated 35,000 PSI.
9mm Luger +P rated 36,000 to 38,500 PSI (not sure if SAAMI rates +P).
9mm Luger +P+ rated 42,000 PSI (not sure if SAAMI rates +P+).
NATO 9x19mm Parabellum rated 36,500 PSI.

Note: C.I.P. Commission Internationale Permanente (European SAAMI). Also, I don't know if what I listed is correct for PSI.

Q: So if you pick up 9mm Luger Sellier & Bellot or Fiocchi, it would not be as hot as US made 9mm Luger right?

Q: Unless the box states NATO 9x19mm Parabellum or 9mm Luger +P, it should be fine for a 9mm Luger rated firearm, right?

Q: NATO 9x19mm Parabellum is really less pressure than 9mm Luger +P+, right?

PS - As an example I've read Glock rates their 9mm pistols to 43,500 PSI, that should mean that a Glock should be able to do it all.

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WOW!!!!As a commercial reloader, can you confirm this? Do you know if this means the entire action is rated to 43,500 or just the barrel?
I think you know this, but don't take anything I've posted in this thread as fact. It is mostly based off information on the internet, and that can be unreliable.
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