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MOUNT CLEMENS, Mich. - Police said a search is under way for an armed man who robbed a bank in Harrison Township Monday.

Macomb County Sheriff Mark Hackel said the robber walked into the Flagstar Bank at 16 Mile and Crocker roads just after noon.

"We've had many bank robberies where people have just tried to pass a note implying that they have a weapon," Hackel said. "In this situation, it's completely different."

Hackel said surveillance shows the robber walking right up to a teller, pulling out a semi-automatic gun and putting it to a 20-year-old bank customer's head.

Hackel said the man wasted no time announcing the robbery, demanding cash and threatening to take the 20-year-old woman as a hostage with him.

"She (the hostage) immediately fell to the ground and was not going to go with him," Hackel said. "He was able to get an undisclosed amount of money from the bank teller ... and made an exit."

Hackel said the woman was not hurt.

Anyone with information is asked to contact the Macomb County Sheriff's Department or Crime Stoppers at 800-SPEAK-UP.


So the above is a story that happened locally to me. My question is how would you handle this situation?? Doesn't matter if your CC'ing or OC'ing. These things can and do happen to everyday people in everyday situations.
 

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So the above is a story that happened locally to me. My question is how would you handle this situation?? Doesn't matter if your CC'ing or OC'ing. These things can and do happen to everyday people in everyday situations.
Easy. Call the cops after the guy is gone, although I'll bet the bank will beat you to it.

The bank is insured for the money. Your life wasn't in danger. You are NOT a LEO.

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If you are OC'ing and the BG see's you before you see him, you may not have to worry about what to do.

If CCW'ing, only you know it. If he does not make any attempt to shoot anyone, be a good witness. If you think the hostage's life is in in danger you will have to make a choice and have only a few seconds to do it in.

Don't let Tombstone Courage make the decision for you.
 

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Money can be eventually replaced even if it's not insured. The hostage can be a planted accomplice (you never know). If my life isn't obviously & immediately threatened...I'm just a guy doing anything the robber asks.
 

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Play along and be a good witness,as far as him trying to take the bank teller hostage ,I really don't know what I would do it just depends on how the events unfold
 

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I don't believe you can carry in a MI bank...didn't this guy understand the MI gun laws?

Glad I live in FL...all my banking business is conducted while armed (CC), and sometimes I walk in with a hat and sunglasses...nothing has ever been said.
 

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I don't believe you can carry in a MI bank...didn't this guy understand the MI gun laws?

Glad I live in FL...all my banking business is conducted while armed (CC), and sometimes I walk in with a hat and sunglasses...nothing has ever been said.
You are wrong here. You CAN carry legally in a MI bank... This is a cut and paste from here MSP - Pistol Free Areas


"Pistol Free Areas

Individuals licensed to carry a concealed pistol by Michigan or another state are prohibited from carrying a concealed pistol on the following premises:



Schools or school property but may carry while in a vehicle on school property while dropping off or picking up if a parent or legal guardian

Public or private day care center, public or private child caring agency, or public or private child placing agency.

Sports arena or stadium

A tavern where the primary source of income is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass consumed on the premises

Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the presiding official allows concealed weapons

An entertainment facility that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more

A hospital

A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university

A Casino


"Premises" does not include the parking areas of the places listed above in 1 through 8.



A pistol is subject to immediate seizure if the CCW permit holder is carrying a pistol in a "pistol free" area. The following penalties may also be imposed:


First offense: State Civil Infraction, $500 fine, CCW permit suspended 6 months
Second offense: 90-day misdemeanor, $1000 fine, CCW permit revoked
Third and subsequent offenses: 4-year felony, $5000 fine, CCW permit revoked

Furthermore, effective March 29, 2001, per Administrative Order 2001-1 of the Michigan Supreme Court:

"Weapons are not permitted in any courtroom, office, or other space used for official court business or by judicial employees unless the chief judge or other person designated by the chief judge has given prior approval consistent with the court's written policy." "
 

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If I am in a bank or anywhere else and I see a badguy put a gun to another persons head then it is time for immediate action on my part.

The action of putting a gun to anothers head is saying that they are willing to kill and it has happened all to often.

I will give them the benefit of the doubt by believing that they (the BG) is telling the truth by taking this horrible action. My life is no more important than the tellers and I will act to protect her life.

My wife worked for a number of years at a local bank and it was in fact robbed...there have been far to many cases when the bad guy with the gun used it with malicious intent! I am not going to role the dices and assume that this is one of those "empty threats".
 

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You can carry in a bank in Michigan.

The girl he tried to take hostage was real smart, she dropped to the floor and would not leave with him.

She said if she was going to die, she wanted to die there, not off somewhere with him.

Smart girl.
 

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You are wrong here. You CAN carry legally in a MI bank... This is a cut and paste from here MSP - Pistol Free Areas
I wasn't stating a 'fact', I thought I said..."I believe that..."

I do appreciate knowing the facts on bank carry in MI.:yup:
 

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I wasn't stating a 'fact', I thought I said..."I believe that..."

I do appreciate knowing the facts on bank carry in MI.:yup:
It's OK to be wrong every once in a while...even here on the everybody knows everything internet forums!:hand5::danceban:
 

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It's OK to be wrong every once in a while...even here on the everybody knows everything internet forums!:hand5::danceban:
:yup::hand10:
 

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Well, if he pulls a gun and puts it to a tellers head, he may have pulled the trigger right then and there. If I saw a suspicious looking person quickly pull out a large hunk of metal in a bank, my right hand would immediately go to my 4 o'clock without even thinking if his eyes aren't on me and they're most likely not. In my oppinion, if the life of another is in danger, doesn't that give you the green light? He could take out that teller and and a couple others before you could draw your weapon if you decided to wait and see what happens and be a good witness. I'd rather be at the ready.
 

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My life is no more important than the tellers and I will act to protect her life.
no sights, that's a brave & noble intent. I can only guess that you can spot a "bad guy" with unerring accuracy. How about a dirty wino-disguised male undercover LEO taking aim at a well-dressed female felon about to immediately commit an act of terrorism? I realize that's an extreme example. But, IMHO, there's BIG legal/ethical/judgemental differences between self-defense & coming to the "defense" of others when the actual scenerio may be entirely different than the one I believe myself to be viewing. Admittedly, I (too) would be hard-pressed to allow someone I saw as an innocent victim be preyed upon. It's a quick decision in a razor-edged situation. But be aware, the law is clear. Your belief is enough justification when you are defending YOURSELF. When you make the decision to defend OTHERS, that belief (regardless of appearances) ceases to be legal justification for your action. Only the actual circumstances will determine if you are, or aren't, justified. Guess wrong (either way) and YOU'RE TOAST. Good luck, be safe!
 

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tough call for sure but ive though about this already in case i find myself in the situation...

I would keep my head down watch very closely. I think the only other thing you could really do is pull the gun and fire a kill shot before he/she sees you...right?

Otherwise you really just put EVERYONE in the bank in significant danger by escalating the situation. If he wasnt going to fire, now he is. If the gun is pointed at her head already, if you dont take him out instantly...at a minimum her life is probably gone.

I think the risk of pulling the gun and just trying to get him to stand down is way to high and unpredictable.

I'm just going on my gut from reading hundreds of stories like this, so i would love to see some actual statistics... but i think most bank robberies end with no shots fired and the guy gets caught alot of the time.

Probably the best course of action is to lay down just like she did and be a good witness but be prepared to act if HE escalates the situation.

...my two cents, which with Obama is now more like .72 cents
 

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no sights, that's a brave & noble intent. I can only guess that you can spot a "bad guy" with unerring accuracy. How about a dirty wino-disguised male undercover LEO taking aim at a well-dressed female felon about to immediately commit an act of terrorism? I realize that's an extreme example.
I believe to guess that it may be an undercover LEO is about to arrest a bank teller is not just an "extreme example" but downright rediculous!!!:hand5:

Let's be real here... This is what happened "Hackel said surveillance shows the robber walking right up to a teller, pulling out a semi-automatic gun and putting it to a 20-year-old bank customer's head."

What happened was pretty clear, I think this would be true with 99.999% of bank robberies. An undercover LEO...it's like you are just trying to come up with some bizzare circumstance to prove my posted action of taking action as the wrong one....can't you do better than that?:danceban::twak:
 
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