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As your father, I believe I owe it to you to share some thoughts on the
present world situation. We have over the years discussed a lot of
important things, like going to college, jobs and so forth. But this
really takes precedence over any of those discussions. I hope this might
give you a longer term perspective that fewer and fewer of my generation
are left to speak to. To be sure you understand that this is not
politically flavored, I will tell you that since Franklin D. Roosevelt,
who led us through pre and WWII (1933 - 1945) up to and including our
present President, I have without exception, supported our presidents on
all matters of international conflict. This would include just naming a
few in addition to President Roosevelt - WWII: President Truman - Korean
War 1950; President Kennedy - Bay of Pigs (1961); President Kennedy -
Vietnam (1961);[1] eight presidents (5 Republican & 4 Democrat) during the
cold war (1945 - 1991); President Clinton\'s strikes on Bosnia (1995) and
on Iraq (1998).[2] So be sure you read this as completely non-political or
otherwise you will miss the point.

Our country is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as
we know it, that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes
WWII). The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there
are very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer
who realize what losing really means.

First, let\'s examine a few basics:

1. When did the threat to us start? Many will say September 11th, 2001.
The answer as far as the United States is concerned is 1979, 22 years
prior to September 2001, with the following attacks on us: Iran Embassy
Hostages, 1979; Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983; Beirut, Lebanon Marine
Barracks 1983; Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988; First
New York World Trade Center attack 1993; Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Khobar
Towers Military complex 1996; Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 1998; Dar es
Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998; Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000; New York
World Trade Center 2001; Pentagon 2001. (Note that during the period from
1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist attacks worldwide).[3]

2. Why were we attacked? Envy of our position, our success, and our
freedoms. The attacks happened during the administrations of Presidents
Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the
Republicans or Democrats as there were no provocations by any of the
presidents or their immediate predecessors, Presidents Ford or Carter.

4. Who were the attackers? In each case, the attacks on the US were
carried out by Muslims.

5. What is the Muslim population of the World? 25%

6. Isn\'t the Muslim Religion peaceful? Hopefully, but that is really not
material. There is no doubt that the predominately Christian population of
Germany was peaceful, but under the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who
was also Christian), that made no difference. You either went along with
the administration or you were eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million
Christians killed by the Nazis for political reasons (including 7,000
Polish priests). ( Thus, almost
the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis, as the 6 million
holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom heard of anything
other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept the world focused
on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing anyone who got in his way
of exterminating the Jews or of taking over the world - German, Christian
or any others. Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on
the US, but kill all in the way - their own people or the Spanish, French
or anyone else.. [5] The point here is that just like the peaceful Germans
were of no protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many
peaceful Muslims there may be, they are no protection for us from the
terrorist Muslim leaders and what they are fanatically bent on doing - by
their own pronouncements - killing all of us infidels. I don\'t blame the
peaceful Muslims. What would you do if the choice was shut up or die?

6. So who are we at war with? There is no way we can honestly respond
that it is anyone other than the Muslim terrorists. Trying to be
politically correct and avoid verbalizing this conclusion can well be
fatal. There is no way to win if you don\'t clearly recognize and
articulate who you are fighting.

So with that background, now to the two major questions: 1. Can we lose
this war? 2. What does losing really mean?

If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions.

We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound, the
major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the
answer to the second question - What does losing mean? It would appear
that a great many of us think that losing the war means hanging our heads,
bringing the troops home and going on about our business, like post
Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can get. What losing really
means is:

We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks will
not subside, but rather will steadily increase. Remember, they want us
dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they would not
have produced an increasing series of attacks against us over the past 18
years. The plan was clearly to terrorist attack us until we were neutered
and submissive to them.

We would of course have no future support from other nations for fear of
reprisals and for the reason that they would see we are impotent and
cannot help them.

They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It will
be increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It
doesn\'t matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its
troops from Iraq. Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed their
train and told them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they want Spain
to do, will be done. Spain is finished.

The next will probably be France. Our one hope on France is that they
might see the light and realize that if we don\'t win, they are finished
too, in that they can\'t resist the Muslim terrorists without us. However,
it may already be too late for France. France is already 20% Muslim and
fading fast. See the attached article on the French condition by Tom
Segel. [6]

If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life will
all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with us if
they were threatened by the Muslims. If we can\'t stop the Muslims, how
could anyone else? The Muslims fully know what is riding on this war and
therefore are completely committed to winning at any cost. We better know
it too and be likewise committed to winning at any cost.

Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple.
Until we recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put
100% of our thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take
that 100% effort to win.

So, how can we lose the war? Again, the answer is simple. We can lose
the war by imploding. That is, defeating ourselves by refusing to
recognize the enemy and their purpose and really digging in and lending
full support to the war effort. If we are united, there is no way that we
can lose. If we continue to be divided, there is no way that we can win.

Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don\'t comprehend the
life and death seriousness of this situation.

- President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation.
Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men between
17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow profiling. Does
that sound like we are taking this thing seriously? This is war. For the
duration we are going to have to give up some of the civil rights we have
become accustomed to. We had better be prepared to lose some of our civil
rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose all of them permanently.
And don\'t worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of civil
rights during WWII and immediately restored them after the victory and in
fact added many more since then. Do I blame President Bush or President
Clinton before him? No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain
all of our Political Correctness and all of our civil rights during this
conflict and have a clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those words
apply to war. Get them out of your head.

- Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the
Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see us
lose. I hasten to add that this isn\'t because they are disloyal. It is
because they just don\'t recognize what losing means. Nevertheless, that
conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we are divided and
weakening, it concerns our friends, and it does great damage to our cause.

- Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and media
regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war perhaps exemplifies best
what I am saying. We have recently had an issue involving the treatment of
a few Muslim prisoners of war by a small group of our military police.
These are the type prisoners who just a few months ago were throwing their
own people off buildings, cutting off their hands, cutting out their
tongues and otherwise murdering their own people just for disagreeing with
Saddam Hussein. And just a few years ago these same type prisoners
chemically killed 400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They
are also the same type enemy fighters who recently were burning Americans
and dragging their charred corpses through the streets of Iraq. And still
more recently the same type enemy that was and is providing videos to all
news sources internationally, of the beheading of an American prisoner
they held. Compare this with some of our press and politicians who for
several days have thought and talked about nothing else but the
\"humiliating\" of some Muslim prisoners - not burning them, not dragging
their charred corpses through the streets, not beheading them, but
\"humiliating\" them. Can this be for real? The politicians and pundits have
even talked of impeachment of the Secretary of Defense. If this doesn\'t
show the complete lack of comprehension and understanding of the
seriousness of the enemy we are fighting, the life and death struggle we
are in and the disastrous results of losing this war, nothing can. To
bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this prisoner
issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned - totally
oblivious to what is going on in the real world. Neither we, nor any other
country, can survive this internal strife. Again I say, this does not mean
that some of our politicians or media people are disloyal. It simply means
that they absolutely oblivious to the magnitude of the situation we are in
and into which the Muslim terrorists have been pushing us for many years.
Remember, the Muslim terrorists stated goal is to kill all infidels. That
translates into all non-Muslims - not just in the United States, but
throughout the world. We are the last bastion of defense.

- We have been criticized for many years as being \'arrogant\'. That
charge is valid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we
believe that we are so good, powerful and smart, that we can win the
hearts and minds of all those who attack us, and that with both hands tied
behind our back, we can defeat anything bad in the world. We can\'t. If we
don\'t recognize this, our nation as we know it will not survive, and no
other free country in the World will survive if we are defeated. And
finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow freedom
of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of the Press,
equal rights for anyone - let alone everyone, equal status or any status
for women, or that have been productive in one single way that contributes
to the good of the World.

This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war or
we will be equated in the history books to the self-inflicted fall of the
Roman Empire. If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history books to
be written or read.

If we don\'t win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims
take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to
increase the Muslim population of France and continue to encroach little
by little on the established French traditions. The French will be
fighting among themselves over what should or should not be done, which
will continue to weaken them and keep them from any united resolve.
Doesn\'t that sound eerily familiar?

Democracies don\'t have their freedoms taken away from them by some
external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away,
politically correct piece by politically correct piece. And they are
giving those freedoms away to those who have shown, worldwide, that they
abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even to themselves, once
they are in power. They have universally shown that when they have taken
over, they then start brutally killing each other over who will be the few
who control the masses. Will we ever stop hearing from the politically
correct, about the \"peaceful Muslims\"?

I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. If we are
united, there is no way that we can lose. I believe that after the
election, the factions in our country will begin to focus on the critical
situation we are in and will unite to save our country. It is your future
we are talking about. Do whatever you can to preserve it.


[1] By the way on Vietnam, the emotions are still so high that it is
really not possible to discuss it. However, I think President Kennedy was
correct. He felt there was a communist threat from China, Russia and North
Vietnam to take over that whole area. Also remember that we were in a
\'cold war'with Russia. I frankly think Kennedy\'s plan worked and kept
that total communist control out, but try telling that to anyone now. It
just isn\'t politically correct to say so. Historians will answer this
after cool headed research, when the people closest to it are all gone.

[2] As you know, I am a strong President Bush supporter and will vote
for him. However, if Senator Kerry is elected, I will fully support him on
all matters of international conflict, just as I have supported all
presidents in the past.

[3] Source for statistics in Par. 1 is

[4] The Institute of Islamic Information and Education.

[5] Note the attached article by Tom Segel referred to in footnote 6
infra, the terrorist Muslim have already begun the havoc in France. (The
note was not attached to the E-mail I received. Gene) [nor I, Bat]

[6] I checked this article with two sources - Hoax Busters and Urban
Myths. It does not come up as a Hoax on either. I also then E-mailed Mr.
Segel and he confirmed the article was his.

[7] \"I don\'t think the Army or any branch of service runs any type of
war any more. It\'s done by senators and congressmen. There are too many
civilians involved.\" Returning Iraq veteran, Sgt. 1st Class Greg Klees as
quoted in the Cedar Rapids, IA Gazette on May 13th, 2004.

[8] There are 64 Muslim countries. This does not count countries like
Spain that are controlled by the Muslim terrorists.
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