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This is hypothetical...
what would you do if someone drew a knife but was a little ways from you...say 8'.
They kept walking towards you but with the knife down and kept saying reasuring phrases like...its ok, I dont want to hurt you, I just want your money. You are backing away while drawing your gun but the guy keeps coming. No threat of " i'm going to kill you", he just keeps advancing. Do you shoot him? He sees that you have a gun but advances anyways.
He has a knife but does not threaten with it other than showing it.
I am just wondering because I think I would have a hard time firing. I think I might try and run as fast as I can in the other direction. Just give up the wallet?
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He is a deadly threat and is within a distance that he can do real harm, never believe anything someone says who is threatning you with a deadly weapon. I would shoot.
 

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I spent a lot of time training with a knife in my younger days as a martial artist. If the guy is any good at all at 8 feet with you having a holstered weapon you're in deep trouble. Knife fighters often train in diversionary and/or concealment techniques to help them get close so don't plan on even seeing the blade if the guy is really good. Running will be a lousy option as it exposes you to being knifed from behind and he'll have a wealth of targets on you then.

If it's just a scumbag who is holding at that range you're still in one tough spot. I'd go for a diversionary shout, throw keys in his face, anything to throw him off and then go for lateral movement and draw. I'd still be hoping for a whole lotta luck at that range.

A good man with a knife is way more lethal than you would think. Be as scared of him as you would a guy with a gun. There is a good reason they have a "21 foot rule" for dealing with a knife wielding perp!!! It's also why the good ones will make sure you don't see it untill the odds are stacked in their favor.

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jhfox462 said:
This is hypothetical...
what would you do if someone drew a knife but was a little ways from you...say 8'.
They kept walking towards you but with the knife down and kept saying reasuring phrases like...its ok, I dont want to hurt you, I just want your money. You are backing away while drawing your gun but the guy keeps coming. No threat of " i'm going to kill you", he just keeps advancing. Do you shoot him? He sees that you have a gun but advances anyways.
He has a knife but does not threaten with it other than showing it.
I am just wondering because I think I would have a hard time firing. I think I might try and run as fast as I can in the other direction. Just give up the wallet?
What about you?
If he has no interest in harming you, why is he holding a lethal weapon?

If he is advancing, having seen that you have a gun and despite your order to stop, I submit that it is completely unreasonable to believe that he has no intent of harming you.

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Run....and increase distance don't even draw(also be loud and very verbal " I don't want any trouble, I don't have any money to give you, be loud, it draws the attention of others and can help your case if you have to squeeze on him). Yeah, this sounds wimpy, but trust me it could save your life and prevent alot of lawyer bills later. Now, for the average punk the guy is simply going to pick another target. However, if you find yourself in a corner and can't get away like running to your car in a parking lot or something. Do what you must to protect your life. Now, if the guy has broken into my house. He will get the flavor of the day.
 

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Have to disagree with BlueLion here.

I would have no problems shooting the guy. Anyone who carries a weapon intends to use it. Period. Why else would he have it?
 

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+1 to Copper Knight. This Guy is SERIOUS IMMEDIATE THREAT!!! Maybe you can turn and run. This guy has Already threatened your life by advancing with a knife. Who is to say that if you turned and tried to run that he would not pull out a gun and plug you because he didn't want any witnesses to his botched robbery. I would have no problem shooting this guy. I think I would be able to articulate in court that my life was in danger.
 

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jhfox462 said:
He has a knife but does not threaten with it other than showing it.
I think the appropriate respnses have been well covered, but the statement is oxymoronic- "showing" is "threatening". Not flaming or being a SA, but examine your mindset. I worked EMS for a good while, and the emphasis is, obviously, "talk it down". Unfortunately, this is the thinking of a majority of the population, now, and it has hard and fast limits.

The standard, in this instance, is lower for you than LEO- if LE was presented with this, the guy would ride the Tazer if he took one more step, or get shot if there was no Tazer issued. I doubt seriously that any LE would try OC at that proximity.
 

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Running not an option

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+1 to Copper Knight. This Guy is SERIOUS IMMEDIATE THREAT!!! Maybe you can turn and run. This guy has Already threatened your life by advancing with a knife. Who is to say that if you turned and tried to run that he would not pull out a gun and plug you because he didn't want any witnesses to his botched robbery. I would have no problem shooting this guy. I think I would be able to articulate in court that my life was in danger.
+2 to Copper Knight. I know the general rule is 21' for the danger zone, but being trained to use a knife, quite frankly I'll tell you 30'! No one advances on you with a weapon in that manner and doesn't intend to use it. Running is a bad idea. You effectively turn it into a foot race. What if he's faster? What if he is familiar with knife techniques? THere are too many answers left open by running (not to mention you've left your back exposed which in reality means you have not only compromised your central nervous system but also most of your major organs. The only way to resolve this is to go with distractionary and movement techniques(unless your are VERY skilled in knife fighting) to give you the time to draw and fire.
 

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A threat by any other name . . .

Threat with a deadly weapon: Shoot until he's on the ground and no longer a threat. Best tactics for managing the draw from concealment and target acquisition will depend on situation, but the decision to respond should have been made before the event occurred. Respond decisively and with violence!
 

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This situation is approx ''one lunge'' from being stabbed.

If someone is crazy enough to want to purely threaten (as they see it) then tough cookies because the mere presence of weapon in hand essentially means game on. A delay here if no good escape option could be fatal.
 

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I'd try to run my ass off and put great distance between he/she and me.

At 8' thats too little distance and thus time to do anything else but stand there and get cut into doilie patterns.
If worst came to worst I'd close the distance and get to his strong side taking hold of his wrist with my strong hand and using mu weak arm to throw elbows to the face, throat and sternum while standing on his strong side foot (immobilize his movement away from me).

I'd much rather run though and gain either distance, concealment or hard cover to then regroup and reassess if not reply with fire.

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Difficult to make a decision unless you know the terrain. 8' is very close and my gun would be in my hand in the 3rd eye position.

If I could not get something in between me and him, could no longer retreat safely, and he was not paying attention to my verbal warnings, then I would be running out of options, and shooting might become the solution.

Very situational.
 

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A guy with a knife at 8 feet is

Extremely dangerous, and if you pull your weapon and he continues to advance with the knife he is obviously deranged, drugged, or other wise a complete menace. If he gets closer to you, then you are likely in trouble, in fact you are probably already in big trouble. I hate to quote action movies, but in the immortal words of Wesley Snipes Blade character, "If you are going to survive You better learn to pull the trigger!" The bad guy showed his hand when he pulled the knife, if he doesn't leave when you pull your gun he is going to hurt you bad. His actions certainly speak louder than his words. So at that point take a deep breath, let it out, aim COM, and squeeze the trigger! Repeat as necessary until the threat is removed.
 

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I took a self defence and the law course that was taught by an ex-cop and he said if a person with a knife that looks like they know what they are doing is with-in the 21' mark shoot to slide lock, reload and shoot some more if needed. A knife at contact distance can be more lethal than a gun.
 

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(after reloading...)

...call 911 to come clean up the mess
 

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I'll Second that!

gotammo said:
I took a self defence and the law course that was taught by an ex-cop and he said if a person with a knife that looks like they know what they are doing is with-in the 21' mark shoot to slide lock, reload and shoot some more if needed. A knife at contact distance can be more lethal than a gun.
That is one of the reasons I try to tell people who don't carry one in the pipe to change their ways. I'd be willing to bet the farm that at arms length I could probably place at least 3 fatal wounds to your torso with a knife before you can even finish your draw much less racking the slide if it's not loaded.
 

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Originally Posted by gotammo
I took a self defence and the law course that was taught by an ex-cop and he said if a person with a knife that looks like they know what they are doing is with-in the 21' mark shoot to slide lock, reload and shoot some more if needed.
I am not sure how a person can tell that a person with a knife may "know what they doing" by looking at them. I am fairly certain a person who does not "know what they are doing" with a knife can kill or seriously injure you with a knife.

If you have a knife and have given me the impression, either verbally or non-verbally, that you intend to use it, you get treated the same.
 
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