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With all that's going on theses days I'm thanking about topping off my home defiance with a AR-15 style rifle.
I am a 20 year Veteran of the U.S. Army and the only time that I did not shoot expert with that M16 was when I had the Flu and just did not want to be at the range that day.
So I am vary familiar with this style of rifle.
I'm looking for something Lighter and shorter then a M16 that can used for closes encounters and long shoots as well. I have looked around and found a rifle that I like and would consider a good choice.
Here is a link to the Bushmaster Carbon 15 Model 4.
http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/Carbon15/az-c15m4pre.asp
Tell me what you think of this weapon, good are bad. And what kind of scopes, red dot or holographic sights, would be good with this style rifle.
Or if you have another AR-15 rifle you would think is a better choice than please give me some info on it.
Thanks for your time and help.:yup:
 

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I've heard bad things about the Carbon-15's reliablity. Apparently the tips of chambering rounds have a tendency to tear apart the carbon fiber reciever. Bushmaster's conventional recievers have a good reputation, and I like Armalite's offerings. I'd steer clear of th S&W M&P line of rifles until the work the bugs out.
 

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i think that someone on the forum has one i know Robert has the pistol version ..

As for bushmaster i have one and have no complaints what so ever

Course i have one of the older no new fangled carbon models to
 

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I like the idea of the Carbon Fiber's; however would likely go w/ a real metal (Mattel-o-Matic) of some sort. Please try to keep in mind that what you're considering will definately "Up the ante for your home defense capabilities", but... It may also really jeapordize your neighbors (& theirs, etc...) (Over penetration is something to consider in an urban civilian environment! Please choose wisely; just my own .02 cents; take it for what it's worth...
 

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erh said:
but... It may also really jeapordize your neighbors (& theirs, etc...) (Over penetration is something to consider in an urban civilian environment! Please choose wisely.; just my own .02 cents; take it for what it's worth...
Point well taken, and I would probably not be thinking on these lines if I lived in a urban setting.
I have 6 acres in a rule area with at least a quarter mile of woods from any of my neighbors houses.
 

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I own a Carbon 15 bushie. No problems with mine, however I have read of others having this problem. Mine works all the time, even with low cost Wolf ammo. You save about a 1/2 lb. Vs. a alum reciever AR.
 

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Not sure. Bushmaster manual says little lube is needed and the bolt carrier has a moly coat that is really slick w/o lube. The finish should stand up to mkore abuse, no scratches showing bright. Also the corrosion/rust resistance should be much better.
 

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Just wondering is the 1/2 weight savings worth it in the long run i would think carbon fiber would wear out first
Bud White I was thinking the excite same thing. I'm 6'' 2' 220 pounds and really don't think a hafe pound would make any defiance.
 

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Also the corrosion/rust resistance should be much better.
Now I like that.:yup:
 

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As for sights, nothing wrong with iron. Nothing to break, fog up, lose zero, run out of batteries - and good out to 500 yards on man-size predators.

Since you opened the door to other suggestions - take a look at Rock River. I think the mid-length hand-guard on a 16" carbine makes a lot of sense (their 16" elite model I believe). More sight radius and better reliability. Their NM two-stage trigger is awesome.

I would also suggest going with a flat top upper. You can put a detachable carry handle on it for standard iron - and it gives you more flexibility down the road if you choose to mount a scope. A little more expensive - but worth it IMO.

I also don't see the point behind chrome-lined barrels unless you don't plan on cleaning the barrel - but a lot of folks swear by them.

I really don't like the M4 clones. They just don't make sense to me. You get all the draw backs of a 14.5" barrel with none of the benefits. If the barrel is going to have to be 16" - why not take advantage of the 16" barrel?
 

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a mid length would be o.k. , but aftermarket handguards(railed) might be limited if you should want to add em. Weight doesn't make much diffrence for HD, but for longer shooting , it helps swinging the gun as well as running and gunning.
For HD, have you considered a pistol caliber AR?
 

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rocky said:
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For HD, have you considered a pistol caliber AR?
Hey Rocky, and thanks for your help. For inside home defense I have that covered with a Mossburge bullpump and a 500 with back up in the form of a 45 1911-A1 and a Beretta 92.
I was thinking in the more of a hi powered long range weapon that if I needed the high capacity rounds it could be used in the home. But if the fight went outside I would have an advantage with the 5.56 over the pistol caliber weapons.
Dos that make any sense..lol
 

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I like my RRA Elite CAR with EoTech holosight...:hand10:
 

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joe/OH said:
Looks like you have a dandy range there too.
I live in the metro Denver area, and it's getting harder to find places to shoot without growth nearby...but they're out there :yup:
 

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Yes vary nice Team American, Thanks.
 

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Kimo said:
Hey Rocky, and thanks for your help. For inside home defense I have that covered with a Mossburge bullpump and a 500 with back up in the form of a 45 1911-A1 and a Beretta 92.
I was thinking in the more of a hi powered long range weapon that if I needed the high capacity rounds it could be used in the home. But if the fight went outside I would have an advantage with the 5.56 over the pistol caliber weapons.
Dos that make any sense..lol
Makes perfect sense. I spend lots of time out camping and wanted a longer range than pistol defensive round myself.
Nice looking RRA there Team American.
 

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The only thing I would do differently if purchasing this set-up today is go with the EoTech model 512, instead of the 511...

The 512 uses AA batteries (available in every store in America) and gets up to 1000 hours life out of the batteries. The 511 uses "N" cell batteries, and they are harder to find. The 511 is lighter and more compact, but has a lot of disadvantages compared to the 512. IMHO, YMMV :yup:
 

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Kimo,
Mrs. Airedale runs a Carbon 15 in local USPSA 3 gun matches. Other than the boresnake, I didn't clean it last year-at all.:embarassed: It didn't FTF until Ky state 3 gun match in the fall. I shot some RemOil into the chamber and it ran strong. She shot Wolf ammo all last year.
I've cleaned it since (and will continue-caught too much grief from my shooting buddies).
It's a fine little rifle-I've never read any bad rap based on facts-only opinions.
Good luck,
Dave
 
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