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Got a friend that is fixing to enlist in the USAF AD and was wondering if anyone can fail the obstacle course and fail basic because of this and what is the BEAST the thing that replaced warrior week like.
 

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I went to Marine boot camp, not AF Basic, but I think in this matter, it should be the same. If you failed a physical test or went overweight, you were sent to pork chop platoon. When you met the requirements, you joined up with a platoon that is in a phase where you left off. If you failed a segment of training, you were dropped back a week to a platoon behind and you repeated the training. You can't really fail out of boot camp/basic...you'll just keep getting dropped back until you do make it. I knew a guy who was in boot camp for 9 months!
 

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It's been a while, but if I recall correctly if you failed the obstacle course in BMT you re-ran it again that week. If you failed it again, then you were washed back into another flight.

Unfortunately we haven't heard much about the BEAST yet, probably should go talk to some of the new airmen, see what they say about it.
 

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When I went through in 1984 a one arm one leg blind man could pass. The AF course was not anywhere near as hard as the others services. Tell your friend to relax and do the best he can.
 

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The AF has a warrior week?? What that like?? Force feedings at the chow hall? A week with no TV? Having to park your car over 100 feet from the "hotel??" Not being able to show up for formation in bunny slippers??
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I went to Marine boot camp, not AF Basic, but I think in this matter, it should be the same. If you failed a physical test or went overweight, you were sent to pork chop platoon. When you met the requirements, you joined up with a platoon that is in a phase where you left off. If you failed a segment of training, you were dropped back a week to a platoon behind and you repeated the training. You can't really fail out of boot camp/basic...you'll just keep getting dropped back until you do make it. I knew a guy who was in boot camp for 9 months!
Yup, that is pretty much it, for the Corps at least. Can't comment on the BEAST thing, maybe they are trying to make it like the Crucible? But you sign a contract for a period of time, and the military is going to try to get their time. I think the max time someone can spend at Marine boot camp is 12 months, if you can't make it through by then, they give you and administrative seperation. I'm sure whatever the AF equivalent to a DI is, will make it their mission to make sure your friend can pass the obstacle course if he has problems with it.
 

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Forty years ago, the Navy had the idea that those that had stupid bodies that couldn't pass swimming tests just needed extra instruction. Since the day was already fully scheduled, swim EI was held before everyone else got up. Getting up at o-dark thirty in Newport, Rhode Island, in the winter to go swim and be back on the company deck before reveille is a great motivator. The guys with stupid bodies in our company learned to jump off the tower and swim the minimums in two or three days.
 

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I'm not familiar with the beast but yes, If you manage to fail it twice, then you get washed back 2 weeks. The course was easy. It's staying awake that was hard.
 

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Forty one years ago Air Force Basic Training was a joke, the obstacle course reminded me of a miniature golf course...you didn't even have to climb the forty foot tower if you didn't want to, though everybody usually did.

Basic training was I believe eleven or twelve weeks long. If you were a lard butt, or too skinny they had a MREP flight. You did nothing bu PT until you met minimum requirements and then place into a training flight.

Actually those guys were in pretty good shape by the time they returned to a training flight. I can't believe it can be more difficult now.

The only people I saw wash out were medical problems.. had a guy in my flight that had a heart attack and he was only twenty one

I went through basic at Amarillo AFB, maybe it was different at Lackland.

In defense of the Air Force...almost every airman ends up working in a technical field that doesn't call for much martial or physical training :smile:
 

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When I went through AF BMT in 1984, it was, for me, a rather easy 6 weeks. The "Confidence Course" (they were already getting PC - couldn't call it an obstacle course) was simply FUN, not hard. If he's in decent shape, it should be a cakewalk, unless things have seriously changed since then.

And I don't remember any "warrior week"

BTW, if you want some info about the BEAST, just google 'air force beast'
 

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I know a big change recently was that airmen in basic now actually had to carry rifles. Only they're not real ones, they're rubber chickens.
 

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You might want to have your buddy take a look at the online version of the Air Force Times (free to access online). There have been several articles written about the changes in basic and many, many, many (see a pattern?) Letters to the Editor addressing it in the Opinions section.
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In defense of the Air Force...almost every airman ends up working in a technical field that doesn't call for much martial or physical training :smile:
Except that the Army's a little short-handed right now, so you have Airmen and sailors driving in convoys and doing other jobs the Army can't do--thus driving the changes to basic training (at least on our side).
 
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