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The following interview was conducted by a reporter for the Al-Jazeera network with the

third-in-command of the Al Queda organization, Mr.Mohammed Al-Asuquf. Al-Asuquf\'s

background is impressive; a doctorate in physics and masters in international

economics. In the interview, he talks of Al Queda\'s plans with total detachment, with

deep knowledge and an unshakeable commitment to his cause. This interview was sent to
Abel-Bari Atwan, chief editor of Al Quds, an Arabic-language newspaper published in

London, but was never printed, due to its highly revealing [inflammatory?] contents. A

copy of the interview came to Foz-do-Iguaçu, and was translated into Portuguese by a

university professor in the city\'s Arab community.

Al-Jazeera: What is the objective of the Al Queda network?

Al-Asuquf: To destroy the Great Satan, that is, the United States and Israel.

Al-Jazeera: Why?Al-Asuquf: The USA over the past 60 years has been impregnating

[infecting] the world with its arrogance, greed and malfeasance. It is the incarnation

of all that is evil. The people of this planet don\'t deserve this torture.

Al-Jazeera: Isn\'t this view somewhat one-sided?

Al-Asuquf: No; one only has to observe recent events. The disrespect of the Kyoto

treaty; the case of the Permanent Court of International Justice, their inaction with

regards to our Palestinian brothers; the financial greed and absurd speculations in

Third World countries; the complete indifference to other oppressed people and

countless other situations which all of the world\'s leaders well know. And on top of

all that, the Bush doctrine of \"shoot first and ask questions later.\" This is an

unacceptable abuse and will therefore have very grave consequences.

Al-Jazeera: But the isn\'t the development and influence of America the fruit of its own


Al-Asuquf: Competence in extortion, competence in subjugation,competence in lying.

After the Second World War, the USA was the only industrialized country with its

manufacturing infrastructure intact. Loaning money like a good loan shark, it ended up

becoming a very rich and powerful country; however,its greed remained undiminished.

Today, Americans live like maharajas [?], wasting more than any other people, spending

more than $80 billion per year just on gambling. They\'ve lost any notion of

spirituality and live in constant sin. With each passing day the USA demonstrates that

it doesn\'t know how to live with other peoples; for this, it deserves destruction.

Al-Jazeera: Wouldn\'t it be easier to simply assassinate President George Bush?

Al-Asuquf: In the first place, it would do no good, other than turning him into a

martyr. When you face a powerful enemy, the best strategy is not to kill him, but to

make him lose his leadership due to his incompetence,and let him live to watch this


Al-Jazeera: Does the Al Queda network have the military capacity to make war on the

United States?

Al-Asuquf: If we analyze history, we will see that all great wars,before they were

started, were based on previously established concepts [of war]. But if we observe

well, we will see that these concepts and strategies came to nothing, since a new type

of war was ultimately waged. An example is the construction of the Maginot line by the

French before the First World War, which, in reality proved to be completely useless

against the invading forces. Aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines,and spy satellites

will be useless in the next war.

Al-Jazeera: American authorities hold more than 1,000 people suspected of terrorism

since September 11th. Won\'t this compromise Al Queda\'s plans?

Al-Asuquf: Of those imprisoned, perhaps 20 to 30 percent belong to Al Queda.

Moreover,they are from the second echelon. We have more than 500 members of the first

echelon and 800 from the second,inside the
United States.

Al-Jazeera: What do you mean by first and second echelons?

Al-Asuquf: In the first echelon are Al Queda members who have been in the United States

for more than 10 years, many married with children. They have detailed knowledge of our

plans and are just waiting for a phone call. They are also known as \"sleepers.\" Those

of the second echelon have arrived in the last five years and have no idea of our


Al-Jazeera: Are even those who are married, with children, ready to die with their


Al-Asuquf: Yes. All of them are ready to die. Long live September 11th.

Al-Jazeera: What was September 11th to Al Queda\'s overall plans?

Al-Asuquf: As a general step, it was just the beginning. It was a way of calling the

world\'s attention to what is still to come.

Al-Jazeera: How many members does Al Queda have?

Al-Asuquf: In the first echelon, about 5,000; in the second, about 20,000, all over the


Al-Jazeera: In the detention camp at Guantanamo, are there any members of the first


Al-Asuquf: No, in fact, many of those there are not even Al Queda members.

Al-Jazeera: How does Al Queda intend to destroy the most powerful nation in history?

Al-Asuquf: It\'s a question of logistics. Using its own poison, that is, attacking the

heart of what they consider the most important thing in the world: money.

Al-Jazeera: How so?

Al-Asuquf: The American economy is an economy of false appearances. There is no real

economic ballast to the American economy. The American GDP of is something around $10

trillion, of which just 1 percent represents agriculture, and just 24 percent

represents industry. Therefore, 75 percent of the American GDP is service and most of

this is financial speculation. For those who understand economics, and it appears that

the American Secretary of the Treasury, Paul O\'Neil, doesn\'t or doesn\'t see it,it\'s

enough to say that the USA acts like a huge \"dot-com,\" and dollars, strictly speaking,

are its shares.

Al-Jazeera: Can you explain that?

Al-Asuquf: The value of a company\'s shares is directly proportional to the

profitability of the enterprise. When a business is just a service provider and doesn\'t

produce any durable goods, the value of its shares depends on its credibility. Which is

to say that if the credibility of the USA were shaken, its shares (the dollar) would

fall with incredible rapidity and the entire American economy would begin to collapse.

Al-Jazeera: How can you be so sure of this?

Al-Asuquf: On a smaller scale, it\'s exactly what large financial groups do to the

countries of the third world to reap profits in one month that Swiss banks couldn\'t get

in four or five years

Al-Jazeera: So how will Al Queda shock the American economy to this point?

Al-Asuquf: By provoking a deficit of between $50 and $70 trillion dollars, the

equivalent of the United States'GDP for five to seven years.

Al-Jazeera: How will this be done?

Al-Asuquf: With the destruction of the seven largest American cities,along with other


Al-Jazeera: By what means will this be done?

Al-Asuquf: Using atomic bombs.

Al-Jazeera: With all of the security in the USA, how, hypothetically, will these bombs

be smuggled onto American soil?

Al-Asuquf: They won\'t be smuggled in, they\'re already there.

Al-Jazeera: What are you saying?

Al-Asuquf: There are already seven nuclear devices on American soil which were put in

place before September 11th and are ready to be detonated.

Al-Jazeera: How did they get in to the USA?

Al-Asuquf: Before September 11, American security was a fiasco, and even after, were it

necessary, we could manage to smuggle bombs into the United States. They entered

through seaports, as normal cargo.

Al-Jazeera: How is that possible?

Al-Asuquf: A nuclear device is no bigger than a refrigerator; therefore, it can be

easily camouflaged as one. Millions of cargo containers arrive in seaports each day,

and no matter how efficient security is, it\'s impossible to check, search through and

examine each container.

Al-Jazeera: Where did these atomic bombs come from?

Al-Asuquf: They were purchased on the black market.

Al-Jazeera: From whom?

Al-Asuquf: We bought five from the defunct Soviet Union and two more from Pakistan.

Al-Jazeera: How is it possible to buy an atomic bomb? Isn\'t there security?

Al-Asuquf: Before 1989 it was practically impossible, however after the fall of the

Berlin Wall, the Russian army began a process of self destruction, and some high

generals began to lose their privileges, and therefore, highly susceptible to

corruption. Even General Lebeb, now deceased, and Hans Blix, the head of the arms

inspection commission of the United Nations, have stated this, notwithstanding denials

by Russian Defense Minister Seguey Ivanov.

Al-Jazeera: How much does a nuclear bomb cost?
Al-Asuquf: Somewhere around $200 million.

Al-Jazeera: How did Al Queda get this money?

Al-Asuquf: We have numerous sponsors.

Al-Jazeera: Who are they?

Al-Asuquf: There are a number of countries which support us, and also numerous wealthy


Al-Jazeera: Are all of these countries Arab?

Al-Asuquf: No, there are some European countries as well which have an interest in the

fall of the USA.

Al-Jazeera: Who are these wealthy individuals?

Al-Asuquf: People who are also tired of watching the USA suck the wealth out of the

rest of the world.

Al-Jazeera: Is Saddam Hussein one of them?

Al-Asuquf: You could say that he\'s just one of the collaborators, through Abdul Tawab

Mullah Hawaish, his vice-prime minister and the person responsible for Iraq\'s arms


Al-Jazeera: Are these atomic bombs powerful ones?

Al-Asuquf: The five Russian devices are from the old T-3 missiles, also known as

RD-107s, and their potency is something around 100 kilotons each, that is, 5 times as

powerful as the Hiroshima bomb. The Pakistani bombs are less powerful, somewhere around

10 kilotons.

Al-Jazeera: Can\'t the bombs be detected and disarmed by American authorities?

Al-Asuquf: No, in spite of their age they\'ve undergone modernization and are well

hidden. Even if they were found, they have autodetonation provisions should anything

get close to them. Even electromagnetic pulses would be incapable of deactivating them.

Al-Jazeera: Don\'t they emit radiation? Can\'t they be detected?

Al-Asuquf: No. They are wrapped in thick leaden cases.

Al-Jazeera: A suspected Pakistani ship was recently searched and all that was found

were lead bars. Does this have anything to do with the bombs?

Al-Asuquf: Yes, however that lead was just an extra layer, and was not essentially


Al-Jazeera: How will the bombs be detonated?

Al-Asuquf: There are numerous methods, a cell-phone call, radio frequency, seismic

shocks or by timer.

Al-Jazeera: Once detonated, how many deaths will be caused by these bombs?

Al-Asuquf: It depends, since our plans are very malleable.

Al-Jazeera: So what is the entire plan?

Al-Asuquf: The beginning will be the detonation of a nuclear device, which will cause

the death of between 800 thousand and one million people and create chaos on a scale

never seen before. During this chaos, two or three cropsprayers that are now dismantled

and stored in granaries [silos?] close to little-used highways in the countryside will

take off on suicide missions to spray two or three large American cities with smallpox.

That means that once the smallpox has been identified, all airports and seaports will

be closed by quarantine. Land borders will likewise be shut down. Not one airplane,

ship or vehicle will enter or leave the United States. This will cause total chaos.

White House Press secretary Ari Fleischman will be very busy.

Al-Jazeera: But the American government has guaranteed that within five days it could

produce enough smallpox vaccine to inoculate the entire population.

Al-Asuquf: There will be simultaneous suicide attacks against the vaccine production


Al-Jazeera: Which will be the first city?

Al-Asuquf: The first city will be that in which optimal conditions present themselves,

for example, clear skies, and winds of eight miles-per-hour or less in the direction of

the country\'s center so that
radioactive dust can contaminate the maximum possible area.

Al-Jazeera: Will this attack annihilate the USA?

Al-Asuquf: No. But the process will have begun. Who will buy food products from the

United States knowing they may have been contaminated by radiation? Who will travel to

the United States knowing the possibility of contracting smallpox? Who will continue to

invest in American institutions? Just as with the World Trade Center, it will be simply

a question of time before the entire economic structure collapses and turns to dust. If

our objectives are reached with one bomb and the smallpox, probably we\'ll save the

lives of others, however that\'s risky [unlikely?], and it\'s probable that six more

bombs will be detonated, one per week, and other attacks with chemical weapons will be

carried out.

Al-Jazeera: How many innocent people will die?

Al-Asuquf: According to estimates made by me and Ayman Al-Zawahiro, somewhere around 15

million due to the atomic bombs and their radiation. Of those exposed to smallpox, 25

percent will die, approximately five million, and many more due to the ensuing chaos

and disorder.

Al-Jazeera: What about the American military response?

Al-Asuquf: There will practically be none. Even if five or ten cities were chosen at

random to be destroyed, that would still be a small price to pay. The problem is the

economic despair will be so great that even economizing by not using arms unnecessarily

will occur, since the liquidity of American goods will be almost zero and at that point

the United States will make more selling its Nimitz-class aircraft carriers, which cost

about five billion dollars, to Turkey or Italy for one billion dollars, since the

country will so urgently need to recapitalize, though it will be too late. Moreover,

how will the morale of American soldiers be knowing that their entire families have

died and their country no longer exists. Fight for what?

Al-Jazeera: And won\'t the global economy also be ruined?

Al-Asuquf: In the beginning it will be very difficult; a serious economic crisis will

ensue. However, without the United States, the world will soon arise in a more just and

fraternal manner.

Al-Jazeera: And Israel?

Al-Asuquf: As they say... it will be dessert.

Al-Jazeera: Does bin Laden\'s spokesman, Sulaiman Abu Gheith, know that you are giving

this interview?

Al-Asuquf: It was he and bin Laden who suggested I give it.

Al-Jazeera: Osama bin Laden is still alive?

Al-Asuquf: He is quite healthy, alongside his commanders Mohammed Atef and Khalid Shaik

Mohammed and Mullah Omar.

Al-Jazeera: Aren\'t you fearful that Al Queda\'s plans will be discovered?

Al-Asuquf: The plan is already in its countdown, and nothing can stop it.

Al-Jazeera: Not even if the United States asks forgiveness and changes its attitudes?

Al-Asuquf: That won\'t happen, and even if it did, it\'s too late.

Al-Jazeera: When will the attack begin?

Al-Asuquf: I can\'t reveal that. Allah Akbar.

This has been listed as a hoax, but it is an interesting read anyway. Theoretically, it could happen and who knows for sure whether it is a hoax or not in today\'s world of misinformation?
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