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Well, I guess I'll sacrifice myself and play devils advocate....lol.
Originally I was posting this as a reply in the "How many carry with a round in the chamber" thread. As I started to type, I realized that I had a lot to say, so I decided to start a new thread so we can discuss possible reasons why someone might carry with an empty chamber.
***PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY***
I'm not trying to be a wise guy. I've heard excellent reasons on why you should ALWAYS carry with one in the pipe but, I'd like to mention the flip side of the coin. I offer this not to convince anyone to change their methods of carry but, merely as a topic of discussion.
I think we all can agree that "stuff happens" and it's very important to be prepared for the worst. Personally speaking, I know that I may never be in a situation where a gun is needed to defend myself or a loved one but, "IF" that situation should occur, I would like to be prepared.
I also think we all could agree that there is no way possible to know how it will all go down should the situation actually take place. Home invasion, carjacking, armed robbery, atm withdrawal, night, day, crowds, no crowds, 1 bg, 2bg's, 10 bg's, etc, etc, etc ????
NO WAY to know.
I've seen people make statements like, "There may not be time to rack the slide" or "The sound may give away your location". I'm not trying to single anyone out or say that anyone is wrong, in fact, I completely agree with those comments.
BUT
Assuming that we all agree that "there is no way to know" how a situation may play out, there MAY be time to rack a slide and the sound MAY NOT give away your location....who knows? Assuming that we all agree that it is necessary to be prepared for a "worst case scenerio" situation, allow me to (finally) offer why it might not be a bad idea to carry with an empty chamber and/or why some may feel the need for an external safety.
Worst case scenerio (in a nutshell)...
In a scuffle, the bad guy gets your gun, points it at you and pulls the trigger.
***REMEMBER***
1. STUFF HAPPENS
2. WORST CASE SCENERIO
No, it should not have gotten to the point of a scuffle. Should have taken the high road and bailed before this point but....
1. STUFF HAPPENS
2. WORST CASE SCENERIO
You're wife/girlfriend is in a store and you're waiting for her out front. As she exits, some guy is following her and flirting with her. She is politely turning down his offers, he grabs her arm and you tell him to take his hand off her, he gets in your face and starts swinging at you. You are now on the ground in a wrestling match. The gun gets loose and falls out where he grabs it.....
Now we all like to think that we can "throw down" and hold our own in a fist fight but, I have no problem admitting that there ARE people out there that will mop the floor with me. Maybe I have 5 or 10 years of Martial Arts training...maybe he has 10 or 20 years and teaches.
1. STUFF HAPPENS
2. WORST CASE SCENERIO
Many years ago, I was personally involved in a situation where a gun was pulled on me and a friend. The gun was pointed at us and the trigger was pulled but the gun had an empty chamber. This was done not on accident but, in anger and with the intent to kill us. I guess you could use that as an example of why he should have had one in the pipe....he failed. But, from where I stand....I'm glad he didn't.
Originally I was posting this as a reply in the "How many carry with a round in the chamber" thread. As I started to type, I realized that I had a lot to say, so I decided to start a new thread so we can discuss possible reasons why someone might carry with an empty chamber.
***PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY***
I'm not trying to be a wise guy. I've heard excellent reasons on why you should ALWAYS carry with one in the pipe but, I'd like to mention the flip side of the coin. I offer this not to convince anyone to change their methods of carry but, merely as a topic of discussion.
I think we all can agree that "stuff happens" and it's very important to be prepared for the worst. Personally speaking, I know that I may never be in a situation where a gun is needed to defend myself or a loved one but, "IF" that situation should occur, I would like to be prepared.
I also think we all could agree that there is no way possible to know how it will all go down should the situation actually take place. Home invasion, carjacking, armed robbery, atm withdrawal, night, day, crowds, no crowds, 1 bg, 2bg's, 10 bg's, etc, etc, etc ????
NO WAY to know.
I've seen people make statements like, "There may not be time to rack the slide" or "The sound may give away your location". I'm not trying to single anyone out or say that anyone is wrong, in fact, I completely agree with those comments.
BUT
Assuming that we all agree that "there is no way to know" how a situation may play out, there MAY be time to rack a slide and the sound MAY NOT give away your location....who knows? Assuming that we all agree that it is necessary to be prepared for a "worst case scenerio" situation, allow me to (finally) offer why it might not be a bad idea to carry with an empty chamber and/or why some may feel the need for an external safety.
Worst case scenerio (in a nutshell)...
In a scuffle, the bad guy gets your gun, points it at you and pulls the trigger.
***REMEMBER***
1. STUFF HAPPENS
2. WORST CASE SCENERIO
No, it should not have gotten to the point of a scuffle. Should have taken the high road and bailed before this point but....
1. STUFF HAPPENS
2. WORST CASE SCENERIO
You're wife/girlfriend is in a store and you're waiting for her out front. As she exits, some guy is following her and flirting with her. She is politely turning down his offers, he grabs her arm and you tell him to take his hand off her, he gets in your face and starts swinging at you. You are now on the ground in a wrestling match. The gun gets loose and falls out where he grabs it.....
Now we all like to think that we can "throw down" and hold our own in a fist fight but, I have no problem admitting that there ARE people out there that will mop the floor with me. Maybe I have 5 or 10 years of Martial Arts training...maybe he has 10 or 20 years and teaches.
1. STUFF HAPPENS
2. WORST CASE SCENERIO
Many years ago, I was personally involved in a situation where a gun was pulled on me and a friend. The gun was pointed at us and the trigger was pulled but the gun had an empty chamber. This was done not on accident but, in anger and with the intent to kill us. I guess you could use that as an example of why he should have had one in the pipe....he failed. But, from where I stand....I'm glad he didn't.