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I actually have one near me that has pretty good prices but, it is the only one like that I have ever seen except for the one where Subhuman buys his guns. He gets some great buys too. Picked up a barely used G21sf gen 3 today for $369 w/3 mags and night sights and he threw in 2 new leather Bianchi OWB holsters in the deal. Of course I have bought from him before and he is having a very good week of sales.
A lot depends on the individual who makes the gun. I have a bunch of .45s, and by far the smoothest one is the Remington R1. Its silky.
 

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Surely the gun stores will guide them to the perfect gun for them and encourage them to get training.....then again, maybe they won't.
I was at a Sportsman's Warehouse two days ago and saw a lengthy line with no less than 50 people waiting for pistols. I'm highly skeptical that those, surely well-intentioned employees, were able to give any level of high-quality service and personal attention. When you have the barbarian horde breathing down your neck in retail it's hard to be customer-focused.

No, I'm sure it was more of - "which one do you want? The black one? Alright, let's do the background check and ring you up."
 

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I see people lined up in the streets (less than 6 feet apart) waiting to buy what I assume to be a defensive carry weapon for most of them. Will they become responsible and conscience owners: or will they be on the edge ready to gun down anything that makes them nervous. Will a bunch of fly by night firearm instructors pop up ready to train them. :confused:

I think owning a gun is a conscience decision one should make not a panic buy like a pregnancy test or cold sore cream.
Actually I see it as possibly being moments of clarity for some who may have heretofore been mostly against gun ownership. Those who had assumed someone was always going to be there to take care of problems for them and are seeing a glimpse of reality now. As such it could actually be a small gain for gun rights in the courts of public opinion.

On local news this morning a gun store operator in a Colorado front range town being interviewed stated that he estimated about 40% of people panic buying in his store were new or first time gun buyers.
 

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Actually I see it as possibly being moments of clarity for some who may have heretofore been mostly against gun ownership. Those who had assumed someone was always going to be there to take care of problems for them and are seeing a glimpse of reality now. As such it could actually be a small gain for gun rights in the courts of public opinion.

On local news this morning a gun store operator in a Colorado front range town being interviewed stated that he estimated about 40% of people panic buying in his store were new or first time gun buyers.
I agree--I think, too, that when things calm down again, some will want to learn more about this expensive purchase they made.

I might have looked like I was part of the panic-buying herd (not at the shop where I bought my most recent purchase), but it was actually a considered purchase ... I'm just glad that the prices didn't jump before I bought (and that I did stick with something using one of the calibers that I already have, so I didn't have to split my birthday/state income tax refund between gun and new caliber of ammo).
 

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I see people lined up in the streets (less than 6 feet apart) waiting to buy what I assume to be a defensive carry weapon for most of them. Will they become responsible and conscience owners: or will they be on the edge ready to gun down anything that makes them nervous. Will a bunch of fly by night firearm instructors pop up ready to train them. :confused:

I think owning a gun is a conscience decision one should make not a panic buy like a pregnancy test or cold sore cream.
Do keep in mind that one doesn't need training or a permit (according to the supreme law of the land) to exercise a fundamental right.
 

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Yesterday I saw nearly a hundred people lined up in WalMart while a shipment of toilet paper was delivered and dispensed, two packages per shopper. Two armed and uniformed police officers (not store security guards) standing by to keep the peace and maintain order.

It makes me happy to live in such a wonderful society that takes armed cops to control mobs in the toilet paper aisle of a discount store.

What about after they left the store, walked across the parking lot with their two packages of butt-wipe? Shouldn't those people be able to defend themselves and get their hard-earned TP home for the family?
 

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I'm concerned over one of these people shooting someone over a roll of toilet paper, or using the firearm to stop a verbal altercation. Bad reflection on responsible gun owners. I'm also concerned about people buying a firearm they are totally unfamiliar with and it being too powerful or too complicated for them. Have you seen any of the videos of people who never touched a gun before as they try to figure out how to load and fire it? One of the worst was the AR! They'll be frustrated by it and give up firearms all together. Or they'll die because when they need it they can't figure it out. Great they are buying them, but not great if they have a horrible experience because of their ignorance, either of the law, the manual of arms, or basic firearm safety.
I struggle a little bit when I hear this perspective. It strikes me the same as all of these elitist politicians who say "we need to decide everything in your life for you, since you are not as smart as us and can't figure it out for yourselves." Those of us that have some formal training, and use our firearms regularly, can have a tendency to worry about large numbers of new firearms owners joining us in a short period of time, because we are comparing what we know to what they potentially don't. That is understandable on some level, but the fears that we sometimes have about that don't actually logically follow from the situation.

Lots of stupid people will probably buy guns in this panic, and may even do stupid things with them. Guns are dangerous, but they are NOT rocket science or brain surgery. While many stupid people may be out there buying, there are probably just as many rational, intelligent people out there buying guns now, for the very first time. Perhaps they didn't grow up with guns, or otherwise never had any interest in them due to lack of exposure, but have now realized that they should have thought about this before.

I have a high level of confidence that a normal, rational, intelligent person can buy a gun, figure out how to use it safely, carry it safely, and store it safely, and do so without causing any unnecessary death or mayhem. They may not become "skilled" without some formal training and help, but having basic ability and operating with basic safety does not require training. It only requires a brain, and access to information. I choose to believe (with obvious good reason) that half the people out there are of above average intelligence. There is no real reason to think that they don't make up a normal proportion of those that are suddenly realizing that having a gun is an important step in taking responsibility for yourself and your family. Since it's an intelligent realization, they may even be a greater proportion. These folks will end up as valuable allies in the end, whatever their political persuasion.

When we see all the stupid people fighting over rolls of toilet paper in the aisle at the discount store, I think it's easy to forget that those ARE the stupid people. The normal, rational people aren't hoarding toilet paper at all, and are living their lives normally. Those people at the discount store are a concentration of the stupid and irrational folks in one place. They are not representative of a cross-section of our fellow citizens as a whole (at least I sure hope not...).

I think I prefer to focus on cheering the new contingent of normal, intelligent first-time gun owners, rather than fearing the stupid, irresponsible ones. Just a preference, but I think that, ultimately, there's no compelling reason to choose the latter over the former...
 

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It’s all to easy to fall into the tard trap of judging the deserved of liberty. Mini Mike Bloomberg needing armed guards in a state where most cannot defend themselves with arms because he is, as he stated with a straight face, rich AND famous is perhaps the most disturbing.

I think many people drive like idiots, but braving the highway is the price I pay for sharing that liberty. I just make sure I keep my eye on the road and drive a bigger truck, and am thankful I don’t need to pass a social credit investigation to ‘earn’ the right to travel.
 

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I see people lined up in the streets (less than 6 feet apart) waiting to buy what I assume to be a defensive carry weapon for most of them. Will they become responsible and conscience owners: or will they be on the edge ready to gun down anything that makes them nervous. Will a bunch of fly by night firearm instructors pop up ready to train them. :confused:

I think owning a gun is a conscience decision one should make not a panic buy like a pregnancy test or cold sore cream.
Doesn't bother me one bit.

If troubles are on the horizon, either real or perceived, I think any American should be able to purchase a weapon if they decide owning one is prudent.

As for a "panic buy," well, better late than never. What would you rather have? Guns sales banned to prevent panic buying?
 

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Ahhh, I'm not so sure about them will put them up in a few months when this pass, because this is just the beginning of sorrow, a whole lot more are coming down the line we will see.
 

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My concern, and maybe someone already mentioned it, is that I wonder how many of these first time gun buyers even know the Rules of Gun Safety? Are we to rely on the gun seller to inform them about the rules? Not teach them, but just tell them that there are rules that should be followed. With people standing 3 rows deep at the gun counter, I wonder how many quality seller/buyer conversations have occurred this week.

In my experience, when I have bought a gun, no one has ever asked me if I knew how to handle one safely. And I buy my guns during the slowest parts of the day and week.

A story in the paper today was about a person that said they bought their first handgun after seeing another person's behavior in a retail store. Is this person going to carry their shiny new toy loose in a pocket or Mexican carry like they have seen on TV several times per week? Do they even know that they should get a CC permit?
 

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A good read https://www.nraila.org/articles/20000616/speech-on-the-second-amendment-by-senator-larry-craig

I was looking for the transcript of a little old lady sitting in her home while someone was trying to break in through a window. She was on 911 hoping the police would help her and all the while it was recorded as she kept screaming at the man trying to break in, "get out of my house, I have a gun", she said this over and over in a voice I'll never forget until you heard 6 shots fired.

Everyone should be able to defend themselves. Who knows how much training she had or didn't have. She knew how to fire that revolver across the room in order to protect her life from someone who would not listen to her warning.
 

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A good read https://www.nraila.org/articles/20000616/speech-on-the-second-amendment-by-senator-larry-craig

I was looking for the transcript of a little old lady sitting in her home while someone was trying to break in through a window. She was on 911 hoping the police would help her and all the while it was recorded as she kept screaming at the man trying to break in, "get out of my house, I have a gun", she said this over and over in a voice I'll never forget until you heard 6 shots fired.

Everyone should be able to defend themselves. Who knows how much training she had or didn't have. She knew how to fire that revolver across the room in order to protect her life from someone who would not listen to her warning.
Excellent read, thanks for posting.
 

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My concern, and maybe someone already mentioned it, is that I wonder how many of these first time gun buyers even know the Rules of Gun Safety? Are we to rely on the gun seller to inform them about the rules? Not teach them, but just tell them that there are rules that should be followed. With people standing 3 rows deep at the gun counter, I wonder how many quality seller/buyer conversations have occurred this week.

In my experience, when I have bought a gun, no one has ever asked me if I knew how to handle one safely. And I buy my guns during the slowest parts of the day and week.

A story in the paper today was about a person that said they bought their first handgun after seeing another person's behavior in a retail store. Is this person going to carry their shiny new toy loose in a pocket or Mexican carry like they have seen on TV several times per week? Do they even know that they should get a CC permit?
If these things are what keeps you up at night, don't ever look into traffic related fatalities and inattentive/poorly trained drivers. That one kills far more people than negligent firearms use, yet you would seek to infringe upon a constitutionally protected fundamental human right....
 

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I was born a gun guy. I have always loved them. I'm unique in that respect, and have always been around various rifles/shotguns used for hunting my entire life.

Not everyone is raised around guns, and is taught to be independent. At least not as independent as they possibly can be.

Going out into the woods where anything can happen at any moment makes you more aware. You realize that you need to be prepared to handle various scenarios. Being frightened will only get you killed, and I don't mean by some predator like a bear/wolf either. Lose your head, and you will get yourself injured/lost and the ways you can die, or permanently cripple yourself, are endless. Conquer your own fears, and then you can choose to really live. Realize your limitations, and make the most of what you can do.

It's interesting how many people think I'm paranoid and living in fear when I talk about how I do my general threat assessments as I go about my daily life. I think more like a veteran LEO, or a soldier who has seen combat, than most civilians. I grew up in an age where wearing glasses got one bullied. I was a target, until I fought back, for others. I learned early on that I was the only one capable of protecting myself. Which was not the lesson taught to bullied kids 30 years ago, nor is it today. I followed the advice my Father gave me. He told me there are times we have to not start a fight, but end it. Advice that made my life as a young man far better.

I think these panic attacks are a good thing. Some people are waking up and realizing the truth I grew up knowing. They are now realizing the folly of the path being promoted by the socialist/communists that are trying to conquer this nation from within. They are fellow citizens who can help keep this nation free in various ways.

I too have seen the same thing as others. A good number of these panic buyers are going to literally stick their gun and ammo into drawer/safe and never use it. They are not people to be worried about at all.
 
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