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I’m not in fact. I’m old enough and experienced enough to know better. I ain’t no kid. A kill shot in the neural net is as effective with a .22LR as with a 10mm. Although the 10mm will be marginally more effective if it’s used to get through the skull itself.

When General Dozier was kidnapped by a terrorist group in Italy, I was serving on the 9th HTLD General Staff as a Plans and Operations Officer in the G-4 (Logistics and Supply). Because of the extremely sensitive nature of the Division’s mission, we were thought to be a high priority target, both for any terror groups and for the communists. So on orders of the Pentagon we had specific briefings by both the CIA for spotting the Russians in the various bars in Tacoma and Seattle. We had identified at least four Trawlers off the coast of Washington State (9th ID/HTLD for High Technology Light Division was located at Fort Lewis, WA) the Trawlers were almost certainly for interception of radio communications.

The bars presented the Honey Trap and general “loose lips to sink ships” spurred by strong drink opportunities. That was all CIA and DIA responsibilities to brief. But we on the General Staff had a couple of specialists from MOSSAD come into our conference room for briefings.

Most all of their teams were former IWI Infantry or Special Forces. Some tankers, too. As such, when grunts the world over get to talking, it’s a good bet that Guns will be among the prime topics. After women, of course. Those guys told us they train to cap terrorists with .22 Berettas and suppressors. Trained to take them with the Cranio-Ocular shot. Thru the eyeball and always two shots in that location. So it’s obvious that the .22LR is completely effective in killing… as long as the neural net is clipped.

But, since you were crass enough not to really read my posts AND to talk about me behind my back with glee, I might add, I will put you on ignore. It’s just not worth raising my blood pressure to defend against stupidity.
My post you’re reacting to wasn’t a reply to you, it was to OV.
 

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Having had a few discussions with Docs who do autopsies, I know absolutely that any shot that cuts into the neural net (basically from the base of the nose on the upper lip up to the upper edge of the forehead) is a death shot, period. That net goes 360 degrees around the skull. Police snipers (I’ve chatted with a few of them, as well as their military counterparts, a time or two) train because of hostage situations, to snap that neural net. They usually aim for between the eyes (or thru one), or about one centimeter below either earlobe or if taking the shot from behind, right at the base of the skull. The ultimate target in each case is to cut the Medulla so…. LIGHTS OUUUUT.

Military snipers train for Center of Mass, which in most cases doesn’t make a helluva big difference when the caliber might be .338 LaPua or .50 BMG. But police snipers have to think of ricochet issues or the Thru-N-Thru (TNT) kill shot that might harm an innocent behind the target. That’s usually a problem dealt with by the specific situation paired with the specific load for that situation. But the LEO community tends to stay with the .308 Winchester loading. Usually. From what I’ve gleaned over 40 years of interactions.
The hardest thing about that is adequate penetration. For one, the head deflects a lot of shots. The most effective one shot I ever saw was a guy that was hit in the head from behind with an old bumper jack. His head popped like a ripe mellon and splattered about 20 feet in all directions.
 

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Do you know that major calibers have gotten solid hits on skulls and not penetrated? It happens. Bottom line is if you can avoid shooting and stay safe, like the guy in the OP did, you will have a better day and probably a better life.
In the 1980's a DUSM shot a guy with a 44 magnum, the bullet hit the bone ridge in the upper jaw and deflected....
 

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People have poo pood the .410 revolvers that are out there for various reasons. I've always thought that a .410 load of bb's at contact distance into the face would tend to discourage at the least, most attackers, even if it didn't prove fatal. At the least it should permanently alter one's vision and sense of smell. Or of course a 250gr Colt .45 load.
I’ve owned two Taurus Judge revolvers in .410/45 Colt. Plus a S&W Governor. Sold all three. Not because the firearm quality was deficient. But I’d purchased them as anti car-jacking medicine, specifically for my wife. I got rid of each one because the recoil was BRUTAL. Far more than she would ever be able to tolerate. Her bout with Breast Cancer back around 2007 left her seriously debilitated. Prior to that situation, her personal gun was a 1911 Colt Combat Commander in 45 ACP. After she survived her Cancer she lacked the strength to even rack the slide. Neuropathy is indeed a terrible thing to suffer.
 

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Bad guy could shoot any time after he drew his gun originally. Good guy shooting I would justify. This will be my argument for fellow jurors.
He certainly did much better than shooting bad guy.
I learned originally special forces sort of pistol disarms which ends in you racking the slide of pistol you took away from opponent to clear probable jam and pressing the trigger twice to put the guy down. When I show this to my fellow taekwondoers, I stress that civilian may not be considered justified, even though, like in case of special forces, as you just dissarmed the opponent, he can do the same and disarm you. But civilian world is tougher on victim than on criminal.
 
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