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Hello All,

I am an elementary principal in a medium sized school district in West Texas. After Sandy Hook, our district formed a committee to look at the possibility of CC. The committee was composed of school personnel, parents, a couple of school board members, law enforcement, and a few other community members. The committee was about 30 members strong. The committee met three times over the course of the last couple of months. We discussed the legality of CC as well as pros and cons of allowing CC. We also had several presenters including an NRA Counselor/Instructor who was excellent.

Without going into more detail than you would be interested in, the committee made a recommendation to the school board during its last meeting. The recommendation was to hire two additional school resource officers and to arm certain personnel at each campus. The school personnel would be required to have a current Texas CHL and go through additional training. Also, the superintendent will select these people. The board voted to approve the recommendation!

I am excited to be a part of a growing trend in Texas Public Schools. I know that other districts in this area are taking a close look at this issue and I expect other districts to follow suit in the future.

I believe my district set a new precedent in Texas with this decision. We are the first district, I think, that has approved CC in Texas that is not extremely rural and isolated. Other districts that have adopted a policy for CC have cited a lengthy response time from LE as the reason to allow CC. They have tended to be very small school districts that are many miles away from LE. We have our own police department here. Response times are not that long (3-5 minutes), but much can happen in that time frame as you well know.

I take the safety and security of the students and staff I get to work with each day very seriously. I know that if I heard gunfire in my building, I would not hide under my desk and hope it went away. Now if that day ever comes (God forbid), I won't be taking my pocket knife to a gun fight. I believe the signage change alone that eliminates us from being a "gun free zone" will be a huge deterrent and help protect our kids.
 

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Great plan.
 

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You're doing it right...
 

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...the signs would be more effective if placed at entrances of all schools in the district...like they've had the 30.06 signs...instead of just at the district building...like Brookesmith ISD...
 

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Snub44 - I totally agree with you on the signs. That is still an unknown at this point. One of the board members asked about signage during the meeting Thursday night. There is some question as to what the legality is about this. I believe the education code states that the 30.06 signs must be displayed in schools. For those wondering, that sign says that concealed carry is unlawful on these premises (or something to that effect) essentially making schools gun free zones.

The superintendent is going to ask our lawyer about this issue before doing anything. I wonder if the 30.06 signs can legally be taken down? There are still questions to be answered before proceeding. My guess is that it will be the beginning of next school year before any of us will be CC. Staff still have to be identified and training has to be set up and gone through before this policy will be implemented. I am very encouraged by the forward thinking of our board though!
 

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:congrats::congrats::congrats:


I applaud your districts sensible approach to this matter, and believe all who have a valid cpl should be allowed in the school.

I myself have passed THREE Federal background checks.
Does anyone who has their head screwed on straight think I pose a threat to anyone, or what?

I understand sometimes people go sideways, but if I ever did, do you think I would say to myself, "self, that is a gun free zone I better go shoot up the local dimestore instead"

Also, my suggestion would be to keep it on the hush hush as to who inside the school would be CC'ing, for if that got out, someone would take them out first.
 

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...under Texas PC 46.03(a)(1), the school district can allow a concealed carrier to carry but the 30.06 signs prohibit all carriers from carrying...please keep us informed as to how they work this out...the 30.06 signs have to stay up to keep others from carrying unless the District opens it up for everyone in writing...oh, well, that's why they pay the lawyers the big bucks...

...the signs that Brookside used were tastefully worded and a deterrant, but every school should have them at every entrance...yours brings to 4 who've announced and there're a whole lot more considering it...keep up the good work...it IS "for the children"...
Snub44 - I totally agree with you on the signs. That is still an unknown at this point. One of the board members asked about signage during the meeting Thursday night. There is some question as to what the legality is about this. I believe the education code states that the 30.06 signs must be displayed in schools. For those wondering, that sign says that concealed carry is unlawful on these premises (or something to that effect) essentially making schools gun free zones.

The superintendent is going to ask our lawyer about this issue before doing anything. I wonder if the 30.06 signs can legally be taken down? There are still questions to be answered before proceeding. My guess is that it will be the beginning of next school year before any of us will be CC. Staff still have to be identified and training has to be set up and gone through before this policy will be implemented. I am very encouraged by the forward thinking of our board though!
...nope, I was wrong...30.06(a)(1) says "...carries...without effective consent, and..."

...the written notice that it was ok to carry given to the ones chosen by the district under 46.03(a)(1)will take care of "effective consent"
...so that just leaves 46.035(a)(2) to deal with...
OR...y'all could all get onto the legislature and have them pass Constitutional Carry...and give 20-year sentences to all who commit crimes with guns...a much simpler approach..we'll be watchin'!!!
 

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I'm so glad to see schools going to these lengths to ensure the safety of the students and I hope other schools, including the school I work for here in Arkansas go to a similar system.
 

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I'm personally hoping the college campus CC bill passes and I'm OK with this too. Question about this though, isn't carrying in a school still prohibited by the GFSZA? I'd never really given the issue any thought before since I'm never in a school and only a school zone in which case I'm driving and that is exempted by the GFSZA. Does the exemption extend to actually going into a school for a lawful purpose (ie a PTA meeting or something like that)?
 

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MJB_17 - There is a clause in the GFSZA that allows individuals to carry with school approval. There is also a "loophole" in the Texas Penal Code that allows schools to authorize CC.

Texas Penal Code
Sec. 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):
(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution, any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the institution;

The last part is what authorizes schools to write policies allowing CC. It's original intent was to allow school shooting clubs to legally have guns on campus.
 

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I'm personally hoping the college campus CC bill passes and I'm OK with this too. Question about this though, isn't carrying in a school still prohibited by the GFSZA? I'd never really given the issue any thought before since I'm never in a school and only a school zone in which case I'm driving and that is exempted by the GFSZA. Does the exemption extend to actually going into a school for a lawful purpose (ie a PTA meeting or something like that)?
Check U.S.C. 922 (q)(2)(B)(ii). It's my understanding that this distinguishes between K-12 and post-secondary schools, restricting weapons on K-12 but specifically not covering post-secondary. If your state's statutes authorize CHL licensees to carry on school properties, then it's lawful. USC 922 allows for that, though it specifically requires the state qualify people via such a process (ie, OC on school property would be verboten if no qualification process is administered by the state for OC).


USC 922 (q)(2)(A) and (B)(ii)

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(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.

(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm—

(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State ... and the law of the State ... requires that ... the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;


Even so, unless the state otherwise prohibits, USC 922 also provides for unloaded/locked/stored firearms to be in a vehicle even without specific CHL licensing (per USC 922 (q)(2)(B)(iii)).​



Confirm your own state's statutes (ie, TX PC Title 10, sec 46.03), regarding school zones and the CHL authorizations/coverage.


* This is not intended to be legal advice. It is recommended you check with a qualified attorney well-versed in federal and state firearms laws, to confirm.
 

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Congrats TX...finally, someone with some common sense about protecting our schools.:hand9:
That committee did an outstanding job, and that's not an easy task to complete in today's public educational forum.
 

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Congrats TX...finally, someone with some common sense about protecting our schools.:hand9:
That committee did an outstanding job, and that's not an easy task to complete in today's public educational forum.
Unfortunately, we also have some of the worst performing public schools in the nation. The rich white areas like Highland/University Park and Keller are excellent, the heavily minority ones like Dallas, Houston and San Antonio are awful. DISD has high school graduation rates well below 50%.
 
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