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Awesome shooting Springfield Champion completely reworked and coated by Robar.
 
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I have already asked for this

but give us a rundown on the work you have done to the 1911. I noticed you have a set of Crimson Trace LaserGrips on it :)
 
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Wanna trade?

I will trade you my Kimber shorty for it :)

And, yes, give us the specs of it. It looks mean with that finish, what is it?
 

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The finish is a Roguard finish (in black) by Robbie Barrkman of Robar here in Phoenix.
 

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nice 1911...
 

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How is that finish suppose to wear with holster duty?

I am looking to add a SpringArm pro to my locker...

~A

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Awesome shooting Springfield Champion completely reworked and coated by Robar.
 

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It is supposed to be extremely durable and during the time I owned that particular gun, it seemed to not suffer in either leather or kydex holsters. What I didn\'t like about that particular finish was that it was glossy, making it look like I painted it with a spray can. The matte would really look sharp, and Robar does a really good job.

Something you may want to consider is that that particular Springfield is that the guy that built it up spent $2200 on it and both of my Kimbers were more accurate right out of the box. And the Nighthawk Enforcer that nighthawk posted on another post cost less than that gun had in it. I like Springfields, I love Kimbers, I would trade my firstborn for a Nighthawk :)
 

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Bumper, what if you threw a Wilson CQB into the mix, than what would be your choice???

~A

Originally posted by Bumper
It is supposed to be extremely durable and during the time I owned that particular gun, it seemed to not suffer in either leather or kydex holsters. What I didn\'t like about that particular finish was that it was glossy, making it look like I painted it with a spray can. The matte would really look sharp, and Robar does a really good job.

Something you may want to consider is that that particular Springfield is that the guy that built it up spent $2200 on it and both of my Kimbers were more accurate right out of the box. And the Nighthawk Enforcer that nighthawk posted on another post cost less than that gun had in it. I like Springfields, I love Kimbers, I would trade my firstborn for a Nighthawk :)
 

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Bumper, what if you threw a Wilson CQB into the mix, than what would be your choice???

~A
Well, that\'s a good question. I had never heard of Nighthawk until nighthawk (the member) bought his. The story I heard is that Wilson Combat came up with a new barrel design that locks up the barrel to the slide better resulting in better accuracy. the barrel is actually tapered to the rear a bit so when the slide comes forward the barrel is locked VERY rigid. According to the dealer, the Wilson Combat Board of Directors didn\'t want them to put that design into production so ole Bill Wilson himself funded the startup of a new (non-public) company, run by his oldest and best gunsmiths. That company is Nighthawk Custom.

So actually, if you buy a Nighthawk, you are really getting a premium Wilson Combat;)

Now, I\'m not absolutely sure of the accuracy of that story, but if you check out their website, you will find some of Wilson\'s long time gunsmiths: Ron Phillips, Jeff Phillips, Sam Dunham, Travis Gregory & Rodney Sharp. Nighthawk Custom is also based in Berryville, AR right down the road from Wilson Combat.

I have handled a couple of Wilson 1911\'s when nighthawk (the member) and I were out shopping for his next 1911 and they just feel good in the hand. I have never had the pleasure of shooting one. When we went to the gunshop to buy his Nighthawk, I got the same \"feel\" from it. When you lock back the slide of a 1911 and then one handed, release it with your thumb, the lockup will make a forward movement of the weapon in your hand. At least every one I have ever shot or handled has. On the Nighthawk, if you do the same thing, at lockup, there is no forward movement. It gives a very confident (and distinctive) sound but makes no discernable movement. When shooting it, it has an almost buffered recoil, but there is no buffer. I am pretty sure it is the new barrel design. It is absolutely smooooth as well like it is on ball bearings.

When you go to the store, Wilson doesn\'t want you to cut the plastic tie until the gun is sold. This makes it a little tough for a new buyer to work the Wilson action and inspect it. Nighthawk doesn\'t appear to have that restriction so you can work the action and inspect it fully.


If you ever get a chance, try one out.

All that being said, I would make the offer of trading kids for either, but I would probably go with the Nighthawk....;)
 

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Talon, is looking mighty nice. I think I need to get a hold of one.

~A

Thanks for the heads up on a new 1911 company.
 

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Originally posted by APachon
Talon, is looking mighty nice. I think I need to get a hold of one.
If you touch it, it will have you in it\'s power:yes:
 

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Closest place is up in Ogden Utah for me to go and caress one :(.

However, I may by one sight unseen unles you count the pics from the net. :D

I showed the Wifey pics of it and she just smiled and said, is that for me??? Guess that means two will be needed. :kay:

~A



On a side note, what is the purpose of serrating the top of the slide???

 

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Originally posted by Ridgerunner
So a BG can get a good grip to throw it out of battery :lol:
Argg. No, Ridgerunner, you are talking about the serrations on the side that some people find easier to work the slide especially with gloves. My Kimber Custom TLE II has them and I do sometimes use the front serrations, especially when press checking it. If you grab it by the back ones, the palm of your hand will naturally cover the ejction port.

The top serrations/grooves or whatever they call them I assume are used to break reflection on the top of the slide. It looks like it would collect crud of one type or another in them. I didn\'t really care for the Talon for that reason.

I would look at them in person to be sure you get the \"right\" one. Scottdale Gun Club is the dealer of that carries them here and they only had three different models, the 4\" Enforcer that nighthawk bought, a Talon and I forget what the other one was but it was green (I don\'t care for the green finish). The Talon was a great weapon, no doubt, but I just didn\'t like the look that the grooves on top of the slide gave it. I really like the Enforcer or Enforcer II. :kay:
 

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Bumper, in your mind, is the Ti frame upgrade worth the extra coin???
 

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Nighthawk here. I actually own serial # 117 just like the picture. Bumper and I have traded 1911\'s for a year now and I can tell you this is the one I\'m a keeping. The story is that the old guard at Wilson wanted try some new things and they were not crazy about the polymer KZ, thus nighthawk was born. Their guarantee of 1\" at 25 yards is not joke and bests Wilson\'s 2.5\" at 25 yards. I\'ve never had an autmatic like it. I can limp wirst it, or turn it sideways, it always fires. no jams no problems at all. the only thing I have changed is it seems to eject Wilson mags better than the Novak mags it comes with. Go find one lock the slide back, take the lock off and let it fly. Locks up like no other I was sold after the first time. :kay:
 

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Originally posted by APachon
Bumper, in your mind, is the Ti frame upgrade worth the extra coin???
I don\'t know, APachon, I have never handled a titanium frame 1911. But I generally like steel. I think in the .45 the weight of steel helps control.
 

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Originally posted by nighthawkGo find one lock the slide back, take the lock off and let it fly. Locks up like no other I was sold after the first time.
It is a smooth solid lockup that I have never experienced with any other 1911. :kay:

Originally posted by nighthawk
Actually the ribs on the top are the reason I bought the enforcer. It does not have them.
My feelings as well....
 

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You guys are killing me. so I leave this evening for utah for a \"snowboard\" trip. I am thinking that I may place an order for a Talon sans top serration on slide. I may forego the Ti frame. Don\'t STI/SVI offer Ti frames? With my hands I have to go full size Govt model. Everything else feels compromised in my hands.

Thanks for the tip on the 47D mags. I will pick up a hanfdul of those. Right now we have a bunch of CMC-Power10 mags in the house.

~A

Features of Talon:
FEATURES:
• Government size frame
• Fully machined forged frame and slide

• Genuine Novak Low Mount Night Sights with white outlines
• 25 lpi checkered front strap and mainspring housing
• Hand checkered rear of slide
• Hand lapped slide to frame fit

• Serrated slide top
• Tactical Safety (ambi add $35)
• Choice of Finish

• Hand fit and blended extended mag well
• Nighthawk Custom Stainless Match Grade barrel or match grade bull barrel
• Full length one piece guide rod
• Choice of checkered double diamond Cocobolo grips or Alumagrips ($20 upgrade)
• Hex head grip screws finished to match
• 8rd magazines (2)
• Nighthawk Custom embroidered pistol rug

• Hard Chrome Finish (add $75 Frame only, $50 Slide only, or $100 for Frame and Slide).
• Titanium Frame upgrade (add $180)


Features of Enforcer:
FEATURES:
• Government size frame
• Fully machined forged frame and slide

• Genuine Novak Low Mount night sight with white outlines (front), Novak plain rear.
• Hand lapped slide to frame fit
• 25 lpi checkered front strap and mainspring housing

• Tactical safety (ambi add $35)
• Finish: Black, OD Green, Grey or U.S. Desert Tan (currently in use in Iraq and Afghanistan)

• Nighthawk Custom match grade stainless barrel/bushing
• Your choice of Alumagrips ($20 upgrade), or double Diamond Cocobolo grips
• Hex head grip screws finished to match
• 8rd magazines (2)
• Nighthawk Custom embroidered pistol rug
• Titanium Frame upgrade (add $180)
 
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