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Just read an editorial in the New York Daily News http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/384934p-326706c.html about cops shotting a violent criminal, weilding an 'UZI like machine pistol'.
"Remember, too - for surely these two officers did - that gun violence has taken the lives of two NYPD cops and wounded nine others since June. Incredibly, one of the dead, Detective Dillon Stewart, was slain by a 9-mm. that Henry had allegedly used to shoot up a Brooklyn diner. He was out on bail on that charge, and a jury had previously acquitted him of a 2002 cop shooting."

The editorialist fails to grasp the point that this goblin was a multiple offender and was only on the street because of the liberal treatment of cop killers in NY. He applauds the fact that the gunmen was gunned down by the police and blames the crime sprees on the black marketing of guns into NY. He fails to see the obvious truth that the presence of these same weapons in other states (where they are legal) does not result in the same level of violence. But it cannot be the people or environment of NY that is at fault, it is the fault of states that allow for the legal ownership of weapons and their use in self-defense.
The attempt by NY to use BATF records to track the origin of guns used in crimes is just a backdoor to suing gun makers. We dont trace the origin of automobiles, knives or baseball bats whose use results in a death as any reasonable person would never assign the blame to the manufacturer. Because their attempts to eliminate violent death by outlawing guns has, and will continue to, fail, they seek remove the viloence by eliminating legal manufacturers and retailers of weapons instead of concentrating on the morally repugnant slice of humanity that will always look to take advantge of other human beings and relish in their suffering.
 

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I will never understand the push to sue gun makers, or even find a gun owner liable if a gun is stolen from them and used in a crime. The libs are constantly on the look out for something to grasp onto to make themselves look like the saviors of the United States. And, the truly sad part is, many people from other countries believe this garbage! On another forum, a young man from England told a poster who was discussing his new firearm purchase that he should, "watch 'Bowling for Columbine' and that the US is so violent and terrible because we are allowed to own firearms." I kept my comments to myself as to not stir up a hornets nest on that particular forum. But, it is this lack of knowledge that is killing us slowly.

If they are going to start going after gun makers when someone is killed with a gun, then they can't stop there. Every time someone is killed in a drunk driving accident, alcohol producers should be foreced to pay settlements. When this happens, alcohol companies will be bankrupt inside of a year. Every time someone dies from smoking, tabacco companies are sued. Everytime there is a deadly car accident, the automobile company who made the car is sued. Everytime someone chokes to death eating, what ever company made the food, and the store who sold it is sued. None of this makes sense, and neither does sueing a gun manufacturer for something some idiot decides to do.
 

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Perhpas this is a result of our failure as a society to accept personal responsibility (or assign it) for our actions.
 

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I'm working on my liberal bretheran, believe it or not, some of them do respond to logic. :)

What I have found is that a consistent positive message, based on common sense with a tinge of emotion is what can turn the tide. The days of "Pry it from my cold dead hand" are not going to get the desired result.
 

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seems like the same anti-gun, illogical crap they always shovel...

any liberals find it odd that it was a known criminal who got shot and was illegally possessing the weapon. guess the tough gun laws didnt work again...probably need more of those
 

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Absolute Garbage.
 

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XD-40 said:
Perhaps this is a result of our failure as a society to accept personal responsibility (or assign it) for our actions.
That is pretty much it!! Culpability is too often overlooked and so the blame goes onto the gun! Usual agenda.

''Never mind the dog - beware the owner''!!


 

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Oh...oh...oh....oh... (waving hand in the air)

I have an idea!

Why don't we get Congress to pass another law - that will take care of the problem!

[sarcasm off] How many gun laws are there on the books now? Something like 20,000?
 
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