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Higher defect rate.

In general, anything that wouldn't pass a visual inspection are kept off the shelves of walk-in stores. They're often, however, sold online.

In the store, you can inspect a firearm with a fine-tooth comb and simply hand it back if there's anything not to your liking.

Used to be you'd get some good deals buying stuff online, but these days, they're often just as expensive as they are in stores.
 

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Here's a little update. I picked up my M&P22c that I bought online yesterday. The dealer who did my transfer sure didn't seem the least bit upset that I didn't buy the gun from him as he was getting $40 for about 5 minutes work. I don't think his time spent vs profit margin could possibly be any better selling guns. I know there are some FFL holders in my area who might do the paperwork for less but he treated me well and I don't think his price was out of hand so I'll use him again in the future.

I'm planning on buying a Shield9 next so I asked him what his price was on that weapon and he said he only has the 2.0 version and it's $399. He said that once a new version comes out no one wants the old ones, even though in this case the differences are pretty small. I can buy the old version for $249 online plus $17 shipping so the choice is pretty clear to me.

What I didn't check into yet but plan to is the price of ammo online vs in store. I figure the shipping on ammo is about $3/box in smaller quantities so if the in store price isn't much more than $3 higher than online I'll buy in store, otherwise online makes more sense. I did notice that the online stores tend to offer free shipping on purchases of 1,000 rounds or more.
 

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Higher defect rate.

In general, anything that wouldn't pass a visual inspection are kept off the shelves of walk-in stores. They're often, however, sold online.

In the store, you can inspect a firearm with a fine-tooth comb and simply hand it back if there's anything not to your liking.
BullStuff!!

Where's your proof for that? 100% nonsense.

Have you even ever bought a gun online? When you order one online, you can inspect it with a finetooth comb when you pick it up from the FFL and either accept it or refuse it, in which case it gets sent back to the online store you purchased it from. Just because you ordered it online doesn't mean you're legally obligated to accept it. Some people may choose to, but that's on them, not the seller.

Does it actually make sense to you that an online retailer of ANYTHING is going to go through all of their stock and look for the worst version of an item to send to a home customer? Do you really think any business that does that as a matter of course is going to be in business long? What motivation would a retailer have to do that when they are able to send any 'issue' guns back to the distributor? You're doing nothing but spreading your own fears here as fact.
 

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An update to my update. As previously mentioned the gun I wanted was $249 + $17 shipping online and nobody local was within $100 of that price. I was just about ready to order it online when my son sent me a text that his coworker had shown him a flyer from Grice gun shop in Clearfield that listed the gun at $279. Since Clearfield is only about an hour from me I called and made sure they had it in stock then drove up and bought one.

I bought the M&P Shield in 9mm. It's the old version not the 2.0 and the clerk who did my paperwork confirmed that since the 2.0 came out the old version isn't moving, hence the lowered price. From everything I've read the improvements on the 2.0 are pretty minor so I felt good about buying the old one at a good price. A bonus was that they only charged $5 for the transfer fee.

I bought some ammo at the same time as it was only $1/box more than I can get it online, but the online shipping is $3/box so it was actually $2 cheaper in store. I don't think I can buy the ammo local for the Grice price though so I'll probably continue to buy it online as it won't be enough difference in price to make the 2 hour round trip to Clearfield worthwhile.

I'm hoping to get some range time maybe as soon as later today, so I can try out both my new guns.
 

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I would prefer to buy from the local, family owned shops. I do feel a bit of guilt when buying online and the locals only get a transfer fee. However, most of what I buy online is used, or not available at local shops. I will not order online if my guy has it in stock.

I tried something a bit different on my last purchase from a GB listed gun. It was used, barely, and was a day from ending with no bids. The opening bid was what I considered a great price, and was afraid it would take off as the auction came close to ending. I contacted the shop listing the gun, and asked if he would be willing to sell over the phone rather than through GB. Reason being, he would have to pay both the GB fees as well as credit card fees if sold through GB auction. He agreed, ended the auction, and sold it to me over the phone for the opening bid price. While talking to him, he gave me the entire history of the gun, went over it with regards to condition, and shared info about the owner who brought it in for trade (why he traded it). It was worth a shot, and it paid off for both of us.
 

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My son and I are going to the range tomorrow since he is a working man and I'm retired, but I couldn't wait to try out both my new guns so I went yesterday and ran a couple mags through both guns.

I've had a revolver for 40+ years but have never owned, or even shot a semi-auto pistol before. Too much fun! My first target I shot 20 rounds with the 22 and 15 with the 9mm and noticed that everything was hitting the lower half of the target, so on the second target I adjusted my aim and did much better. I was shooting at 25 ft and I'm no marksman but every shot at least hit the target (12") and almost all of them were within a 6" circle. I didn't think that was too bad for my first time with these guns. Just about all the shooting I'd done previously was with 22's so I was anxious to see how the recoil was with the 9mm. It wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it might be, and in fact I enjoyed shooting that one more than the 22.

I met another old fart at the range who was there with 4 young bucks, all late teens early 20's. I think they were his grandsons. He said he brought the boys out to learn shooting as none of them had shot before. All the guns they were using had to be his and he had quite a collection. They were on the rifle range when I arrived so I'm not sure how many different rifles they had but it was at least three, and I think more. When they came down to the pistol range I was about ready to leave and he invited me to stay, watch and shoot some of his pistols if I'd like. Which was very generous of him, but I declined shooting any of his guns. I did stay and watch for a while though.

I noticed he spread a tarp before they started and thought that was a good idea to help police the spent brass for easier cleanup, but he was doing it because he wanted the brass for reloading. He opened his cases and he had 4 different semi-autos and 3 revolvers. He's get a gun ready then send one of the kids up to the firing line. The first one up went though 15 rounds about as fast as he could pull the trigger, and I said "Man that's burning through some ammo in a hurry", and he said the kid thinks he's playing zombie apocalypse. They all seemed to be having a good time and the old guy was keeping a close eye on them.

So tomorrow my son and I will be getting some range time in. I have about 400 rounds of 22 and 175 rounds of 9mm on hand. That should be enough to get some real practice I hope. I've been watching the Chris Sajnog videos on youtube and trying to incorporate what he teaches on one video about proper stance and another about proper grip.
 
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