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I have a Beretta 950B 25acp that I have as a backup to my backup.
I have a wallet holster for it and was wondering if any one else uses one of these things.
 

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If the wallet hides the pistol completely I believe it is illegal under federal law.
 

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I had a Galco Wallet Holster for a Beretta .22 very similar to yours. I have been told they are not legal due to they completely cover the gun. Also they impinge on the slide enough to make the gun malfunction. I would advise you to remove this post ASAP.
 

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I remember thinking about getting one for a back-pocket BUG way back (like maybe 20yrs back) and just couldn't get over the fact that the trigger wasn't covered, which of course is essential to the design, and wondering how it would affect the slide - and I was shooting .25, I figure I'd want more than one shot!
 

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i thought they were only illegal if they couldnt be removed from the gun... but anywho cool holster. i can see the point behind them but i feel execution of design on these kind is kinda bad. i understand wanting it to print like a wallet but not necessarily looking exactly like a wallet. also i feel this would compromise the slide movment. how does it work for you? ive seen them but never operated a gun with one.
 

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I have an Uncle George for my LCP which I'll throw in my pocket in certain circumstances and I am very happy with it. I saw that other type being shown and wasn't too crazy about it.

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can someone quote the law that makes a fully concealed handgun illegal under federal law? This baffles me and blows my mind.. I have NEVER heard of such a thing.

On a more related note to the OPs question, I do not use any holster of that sort.. NOT covering the trigger is one of the things a holster is SUPPOSED to do.
 

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I use a Desantis Superfly when I carry my LCP. Makes perfect sense to me. If a mugger confronts and demands my wallet he probably won't think anything of it when I reach to my back pocket to retrieve my wallet (LCP) for him. Imagine his surprise when he sees my wallet can shoot!
 

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I use a Guru wallet holster for my LCP from Pocket Holsters.com. I have the one with the zipper flap which conceals the gun but does not interfere with the draw when wearing Levi's or similar pants.
 

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If you want to conceal the outline of the gun in your pocket, use a pocket holster with an anti-print panel. The Desantis Superfly is one, the Guru holsters are another. I have several of the type made by Jim over at Hidden Holsters - Expertly Crafted Pocket Holsters. I highly recommend getting a thumb push-off, which is the reason I went with Jim - he was willing to add that, while the Guru folks were not.

There was also another one recently posted here that was cheaper and more readily available, made of fabric instead of leather, IIRC. Also held a spare mag. Poke around and you will find it.

here it is...http://www.maelwear.com/. (No thumb push off)

The wallet holsters do not cover the trigger, and can interfere with running the gun, as has been mentioned. Don't do it.
 

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if you are going to use it i would take it to the range and shoot some rounds to see if it will work. it will hide the gun well. i use a hunter brand wallet holster. it stay in your back pocket when you draw the gun. hides the gun well, makes it look like your billfold.
 

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I have a Beretta 950B 25acp that I have as a backup to my backup.
I have a wallet holster for it and was wondering if any one else uses one of these things.
JMHO Two Guns, but I believe that one of the primary functions of a holster is to protect the trigger. What you have there is the anti-holster :saevil:.
 

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If the wallet hides the pistol completely I believe it is illegal under federal law.
I believe you are correct...it would be classified as an AOW (Any Other Weapon)
 

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...it is an AOW, but, according to the ATF, because it has a hole to fire the weapon from within the holster, not because it completely covers the weapon...

...these were very popular in the 70s when the High Standard Derringer was popular for a back-pocket backup weapon...

http://www.ebay.com/gds/Wallet-Holsters-amp-ATF-Regulations/10000000001714210/g.html


DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
Washington, DC 20226

E:CE:F:TE:RLB
3311

MAR 13 1996

[Name]
[Address]

Dear :

This is in response to your letter of recent date to the Bureau of
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF). In your letter, you request
information regarding the legality of several wallet type holsters
which you submitted of our examination.

As defined in 26 U.S.C. section 5845(e) of the National Firearms
Act (NFA), the term "any other weapon" includes certain weapons
capable of being concealed on the person. It is unlawful to make,
possess or transfer such weapons which are not registered in
accordance with NFA controls. Further, a maker of such firearms
who has not paid the appropriate special (occupational) tax is
liable for $200 making tax for each weapon produced and $5 for each
weapon transferred.

ATF has previously determined that firearms installed in various
types of wallets, briefcases, canes, etc. may be NFA firearms as
defined. The submitted samples are rectangular leather cases,
which measure approximately 5 1/2 inches in length and 2 3/4 inches
in height. They are designed to hold an American Derringer firearm
(Model DA 3 in a fixed position with openings in the leather so
that the derringer can be operated and fired while it is in the
case. When the derringer is installed in the case, the weapon has
the exterior appearance to other "wallet guns" which have
previously been determined to be NFA firearms.

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ATF has previously determined that an American Derringer, Model DA
38, in and of itself, is a firearm subject to the provisions of the
GCA and is not a firearm subject to the NFA controls. The leather
wallet by itself is not subject to control as a firearm. However,
we have also determined that any person who might possess such a
derringer in combination with the wallet holster would be in
possession of a firearm subject to the purview of the NFA.

Any person who possess the combination would be in possession of a
firearm as defined in 26 U.S.C. section 5845(a)(5) of the NFA.
Such firearm is subject to the tax imposed under section 5821, and
the making provisions of section 5822 of the act.

Should the wallet holsters, as provided, be sold or transferred
separately from the derringers, we strongly recommend that you
advise customers regarding the status of these items.

If you would like to submit a redesigned or modified holster that
you believe would not be subject to the NFA when held in
combination with an American Derringer firearm, we will be happy to
examine it and provide you with the results. We would suggest that
the redesigned sample no longer resemble a wallet and the
modification should include cutting the top rear of the wallet,
thereby exposing the entire back strap and trigger guard area of
the inserted derringer. The cuts should follow the exact contour
of the frame of the pistol and not overlap to risk a disguised
appearance.

The samples which you submitted for our examination are being
returned to you under separate cover.

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We trust the foregoing has been responsive to your inquiry. If you
have further questions concerning this matter, please contact us.


Sincerely yours,

[signed]
Edward M. Owen, Jr.
Chief, Firearms Technology Branch
 
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