Anybody catch George W. Bushes speech?
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Anything is better than nothing of course but it is darned hard to do much of a cure when the horse left the stable so long ago - and left the door wide open all this time.
We will see what develops - and I wonder what will be the response from Fox - other than what may have been discussed behind closed doors.
We will see what develops - and I wonder what will be the response from Fox - other than what may have been discussed behind closed doors.
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By lamenting the fact that the NG will be powerless they are in fact offering a better idea by saying we should be letting them (the NG) fix the problem. By not doing that, he's showing that's it all political bluster to pretend to do something. What a surprise though, only president with lower approval ratings was Nixon during watergate. I'll give respect to the CiC when it's earned, not just because he's got the title, but isn't doing his job.erh said:
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Israel has already shown us the proper course to take to remedy this problem:erh said:
Israel-Palestine security wall
You guys make it sound like it's totally impossible to secure the borders. I don't agree. You want me to come up with a better idea to fix the problem or do you want me to say what I haven't herd anyone else say yet. I'll do both.
Anyone ever been to Gitmo ? If not it's kinda hard to explain except to say that NOBODY comes across that border,well,.......at least alive. I've herd tell that a few pieces come floating down on the base (American)side every now and then. Put the armed forces(if we have any left that isn't babysitting Iraq,and Afganistan) on the(our) borders with standing orders that "what you see out in front of you is a "free fire zone". If it moves shoot it. (or blow it up)
How long has the average(intellegent) person known that our borders wern't secure? How many presidents ago was that? Same as "the US is dependent on foreign oil". How many of us actually did not know that? How many of us did not know that 30 years ago?
Our lawmakers have chose to ignor these problems for how long? The Bushes,Clinton,Regan,Carter,and how many before them chose to ignor these problems until now?
Our President has kissed,hugged,and held hands with(IMO) our enemies. Saudi Arabia and Mexico included. This on national T.V. It absolutely made me sick.
But he is the President. Also,I am an American. That's why I have the right to be in total disgust of this whole situation. That's why I have the right to speak up.
Our border problem CAN be fixed. Our dependence on foreign oil can be fixed. Hell,all we gotta want to do is fix the problem. Up until now we haven't wanted to.
Why do we have to get approval from the rest of the world before we can protect ourselves ?? Why would it have to be ok with Mexico before we can protect our border with them?? Let's just do it. -------
Anyone ever been to Gitmo ? If not it's kinda hard to explain except to say that NOBODY comes across that border,well,.......at least alive. I've herd tell that a few pieces come floating down on the base (American)side every now and then. Put the armed forces(if we have any left that isn't babysitting Iraq,and Afganistan) on the(our) borders with standing orders that "what you see out in front of you is a "free fire zone". If it moves shoot it. (or blow it up)
How long has the average(intellegent) person known that our borders wern't secure? How many presidents ago was that? Same as "the US is dependent on foreign oil". How many of us actually did not know that? How many of us did not know that 30 years ago?
Our lawmakers have chose to ignor these problems for how long? The Bushes,Clinton,Regan,Carter,and how many before them chose to ignor these problems until now?
Our President has kissed,hugged,and held hands with(IMO) our enemies. Saudi Arabia and Mexico included. This on national T.V. It absolutely made me sick.
But he is the President. Also,I am an American. That's why I have the right to be in total disgust of this whole situation. That's why I have the right to speak up.
Our border problem CAN be fixed. Our dependence on foreign oil can be fixed. Hell,all we gotta want to do is fix the problem. Up until now we haven't wanted to.
Why do we have to get approval from the rest of the world before we can protect ourselves ?? Why would it have to be ok with Mexico before we can protect our border with them?? Let's just do it. -------
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We protect S. Korea's border better than ours. I say take all the troops based in S. Korea and stick 'em on OUR border. It's time to take care of our own back yard and it's time for other countries to cowboy up and take care of theirs.
This plan is nothing more than damage control for the off-year elections. Baby Bush has had 6 years to do something and he just gets around to it NOW??? Like he woke up the other day and said, "Holy Cow! I forgot to guard the border!!" How stupid do these people think we are?
You want a plan, how about this:
1 - Enforce the existing law that requires ALL employers to document that their employees are legal to be in this country and employed (make enforcement part of the tax code so the IRS goes after violators).
2 - Prohibit all money transfers south of the border without prior approval by a law enforcement agency, after showing proof that you are here legally and OK to be employed (see number 1 above). If the illegals want to chance sending cash through the US mail AND the foreign mails, let them.
3 - Put up a barrier across the southern border, patrolled by armed personnel, using all the necessary technology, 24x7. Use military personnel if needed. Pull them from Korea, Germany and Japan. Anyone who gets captured gets deported to the port in their home country that is farthest from the USA via a cargo ship.
4 - Anyone arrested gets their background checked to make sure they are not illegals. If they are, they get deported after they serve their sentence, no appeals. All their remaining monies are confiscated, as they were earned illegally.
5 - If an illegal mother has a child in this country, the child is still considered a US citizen, but has to go back to the home country of the parents until age 18, at which time they can decide in which country they will be a citizen. If they choose the US, they have to renounce their foreign citizenship. If they choose a foreign country, they are no longer US citizens.
For those who say "the price for food will go up so much", I say BS. My relatives are all farmers, and I know how much of the cost of food is what the farmers get paid (and by extension, what they pay labor). You could double or triple what farmers get, and it wouldn't add squat to the prices you see in the stores. Same with clothes, I imagine. Hey, maybe people on welfare could actually get jobs. Low level jobs could be used to teach our teenagers the value of work. The mind boggles at the opportunities.
After all the above is done, THEN consider a "guest worker" program.
1 - Enforce the existing law that requires ALL employers to document that their employees are legal to be in this country and employed (make enforcement part of the tax code so the IRS goes after violators).
2 - Prohibit all money transfers south of the border without prior approval by a law enforcement agency, after showing proof that you are here legally and OK to be employed (see number 1 above). If the illegals want to chance sending cash through the US mail AND the foreign mails, let them.
3 - Put up a barrier across the southern border, patrolled by armed personnel, using all the necessary technology, 24x7. Use military personnel if needed. Pull them from Korea, Germany and Japan. Anyone who gets captured gets deported to the port in their home country that is farthest from the USA via a cargo ship.
4 - Anyone arrested gets their background checked to make sure they are not illegals. If they are, they get deported after they serve their sentence, no appeals. All their remaining monies are confiscated, as they were earned illegally.
5 - If an illegal mother has a child in this country, the child is still considered a US citizen, but has to go back to the home country of the parents until age 18, at which time they can decide in which country they will be a citizen. If they choose the US, they have to renounce their foreign citizenship. If they choose a foreign country, they are no longer US citizens.
For those who say "the price for food will go up so much", I say BS. My relatives are all farmers, and I know how much of the cost of food is what the farmers get paid (and by extension, what they pay labor). You could double or triple what farmers get, and it wouldn't add squat to the prices you see in the stores. Same with clothes, I imagine. Hey, maybe people on welfare could actually get jobs. Low level jobs could be used to teach our teenagers the value of work. The mind boggles at the opportunities.
After all the above is done, THEN consider a "guest worker" program.
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Thats all any of them do is "DANCE" I voted for him in the same way I carry a 9mm XD and not a .45 Model 911 it was all I could do at the time. He is worthless but he is less worthless than the rest that were running and he at least seems to support our right to arms. Build a wall and defend it thats the answer.
While I voted for and fully support the President and his efforts in Iraq and on most other issues, people rarely agree 100% with everything that someone else does. I don't agree with his lack of action on our border up to this point, and I don't believe he went near far enough in his speech. That's not disrespect, that's an opinion of someone (me) that live amongst the result of a failed immigration and border security policy. It's not Bush's doing, but it's his problem to resolve....
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