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Ok, two things I want to say up front: 1. Below is a picture of a very white, and very hairy mid section, if you offend easily, please click away now! And 2. This may be long, but if you are "husky" like me, then you may get something from it. Also, I'd love to hear some tips as well.

So my journey to appendix carry began a few months back as I began to lament my normal 4 oclock carry in the heat of Alabama. It sticks to me, it pulls my undershorts into weird places, and the hotter I get, the more angry I become with the whole thing. I traded the G19 for a G26, but still had the same complaints. So I went back to the 19 and just on a whim one day tucked it in the front of my pants. Hmm......the weight became a LOT less noticeable. I unloaded and walk around the house with a full mag (empty chamber) for a while and it was nice. But obviously, I am not going into the real world with a gun stuffed in my trousers and no trigger guard and no way to hold the gun to me. So I've been researching on and off ever since. And finally, last week I bought a cheap $25 straight drop IWB kydex holster made for AIWB (don't yell at me yet for buying cheap, I have reasons).

So today, while browsing the local store, I noticed they had a bunch of new stuff from Raven Concealment......so I bought the Vanguard 2. I figure, for $34 I can risk it, and in case the "full holster" I ordered doesn't work, I know that just a gun stuffed in my pants was pretty comfy, so this is the closes thing to that I can get. Because I wanted to try driving more than anything, I unboxed in the car, put the gun (my G19) in the holster first, then attached it to my belt. And low and behold, driving was not the torture I thought it would be. That said, it wasn't perfect either. It seems the VG2 has a second hole for adjusting ride height and it was digging in to sensitive parts. But even so, I drove the 45 minutes home very aware I had a gun in my crotch, but not so uncomfy I took it off.

Once home I removed the offending piece with my Spiderco (see pic with my finger for what I removed) and played with the height some more. Here is what I found. Higher ride is more comfortable when sitting, but due to my aforementioned "fluffiness", The gun pushes away from me and prints more than I like. Enough that when I walked downstairs my wife said "what is that?". Dang! So I went upstairs and lowered it some, and voila, it hides pretty well. Or as well as "mr. fluffy" can make it hide. One thing is for sure, if all the walking and changes in my diet start to work, this mode of carry will only get more comfortable and print less (sucking in produces a temporary (albeit slightly painful) "unfluffy" condition for a moment before I need to breathe again :danceban:) which is great because now I have a great reason to stick to the fitness stuff.

So for the last 2 hours or so I have been sitting at my desk working (from home) and it is actually starting to not be noticeable. I have the gun in the 1pm or so spot, and when I sit I slightly push the butt down which pushes the barrel slightly left and it tucks right into my leg joint. Nice!

Here are a couple observations about the VG2 from Raven that I'd like to share, again from a "fluffy" perspective.
1. The price is nice, real nice. And for those who don't want to fully commit for fear of comfort (like me) this is a good way to dip your fat little foot into the pool cheaply.
2. The design is good, offers adjustability, and has a nice loop for solid retention on the belt (no way you end up with the trigger guard still on the gun with this thing)
3. The snap on the belt loop is one of those one way kind, and is a HUGE pain to snap. So much so I leave it snapped, insert my gun, then thread it through my belt. Big FAIL!
4. Because of the above, a lot of live fire from the holster drills will take the better part of eternity to do
5. Reholstering is a challenge and scary. I don't think I will ever reholster with a live round in the gun, not with my Glock.
6. It is light, minimalist, and fairly comfy, even with my HD sights everyone complains about with AIWB carry, I have not had an issue yet.

So, the good news is my other holster (a FULL holster) arrives Thursday. I will update then. Assuming it is even reasonably comfortable, I will probably invest in the G-Code Incog or T-rex or something like that. If I hate it, then I only blew $25 instead of $100.

Below are some pics. I would love tips, tricks, and feedback from other "Fluffy AIWB" guys (and even you skinny folk too!)

Thanks!
 

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Now I understand your Avatar Poor dog saw you with shirt off .

Hope you can get comfortable with that carry . I can't do it . Standing not bad but sitting no going to work for me.
 

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Ok, two things I want to say up front: 1. Below is a picture of a very white, and very hairy mid section, if you offend easily, please click away now! And 2. This may be long, but if you are "husky" like me, then you may get something from it. Also, I'd love to hear some tips as well.

So my journey to appendix carry began a few months back as I began to lament my normal 4 oclock carry in the heat of Alabama. It sticks to me, it pulls my undershorts into weird places, and the hotter I get, the more angry I become with the whole thing. I traded the G19 for a G26, but still had the same complaints. So I went back to the 19 and just on a whim one day tucked it in the front of my pants. Hmm......the weight became a LOT less noticeable. I unloaded and walk around the house with a full mag (empty chamber) for a while and it was nice. But obviously, I am not going into the real world with a gun stuffed in my trousers and no trigger guard and no way to hold the gun to me. So I've been researching on and off ever since. And finally, last week I bought a cheap $25 straight drop IWB kydex holster made for AIWB (don't yell at me yet for buying cheap, I have reasons).

So today, while browsing the local store, I noticed they had a bunch of new stuff from Raven Concealment......so I bought the Vanguard 2. I figure, for $34 I can risk it, and in case the "full holster" I ordered doesn't work, I know that just a gun stuffed in my pants was pretty comfy, so this is the closes thing to that I can get. Because I wanted to try driving more than anything, I unboxed in the car, put the gun (my G19) in the holster first, then attached it to my belt. And low and behold, driving was not the torture I thought it would be. That said, it wasn't perfect either. It seems the VG2 has a second hole for adjusting ride height and it was digging in to sensitive parts. But even so, I drove the 45 minutes home very aware I had a gun in my crotch, but not so uncomfy I took it off.

Once home I removed the offending piece with my Spiderco (see pic with my finger for what I removed) and played with the height some more. Here is what I found. Higher ride is more comfortable when sitting, but due to my aforementioned "fluffiness", The gun pushes away from me and prints more than I like. Enough that when I walked downstairs my wife said "what is that?". Dang! So I went upstairs and lowered it some, and voila, it hides pretty well. Or as well as "mr. fluffy" can make it hide. One thing is for sure, if all the walking and changes in my diet start to work, this mode of carry will only get more comfortable and print less (sucking in produces a temporary (albeit slightly painful) "unfluffy" condition for a moment before I need to breathe again :danceban:) which is great because now I have a great reason to stick to the fitness stuff.

So for the last 2 hours or so I have been sitting at my desk working (from home) and it is actually starting to not be noticeable. I have the gun in the 1pm or so spot, and when I sit I slightly push the butt down which pushes the barrel slightly left and it tucks right into my leg joint. Nice!

Here are a couple observations about the VG2 from Raven that I'd like to share, again from a "fluffy" perspective.
1. The price is nice, real nice. And for those who don't want to fully commit for fear of comfort (like me) this is a good way to dip your fat little foot into the pool cheaply.
2. The design is good, offers adjustability, and has a nice loop for solid retention on the belt (no way you end up with the trigger guard still on the gun with this thing)
3. The snap on the belt loop is one of those one way kind, and is a HUGE pain to snap. So much so I leave it snapped, insert my gun, then thread it through my belt. Big FAIL!
4. Because of the above, a lot of live fire from the holster drills will take the better part of eternity to do
5. Reholstering is a challenge and scary. I don't think I will ever reholster with a live round in the gun, not with my Glock.
6. It is light, minimalist, and fairly comfy, even with my HD sights everyone complains about with AIWB carry, I have not had an issue yet.

So, the good news is my other holster (a FULL holster) arrives Thursday. I will update then. Assuming it is even reasonably comfortable, I will probably invest in the G-Code Incog or T-rex or something like that. If I hate it, then I only blew $25 instead of $100.

Below are some pics. I would love tips, tricks, and feedback from other "Fluffy AIWB" guys (and even you skinny folk too!)

Thanks!
Just my two copper pieces.

I carry AIWB almost exclusively. I'm also a bit fluffy as well. Leather....leather...and leather with a nice sweat shield
 

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I 5'8", 265.
I've found a little farther back, 2-2:30, with about 30° cant, is very comfortable for me.
I make my own holsters. Here is an OWB to show how the gun (full-size Beretta PX4 9mm) rides and the corresponding IWB holster.

(it actually sits father forward in use)

Here it is in a Remora holster. The grip tuck into/under the "roll".

Even when I was skinny (pre-marriage) I didn't like carrying behind me (4:00 on). I actually carried cross-draw for many years. Now it is uncomfortable.

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I have 2 AIWB Trigger Guard Holsters , a MIC & Vangard 2.
I don't use the belt loop on my VG 2 but use a lanyard on both my hosters.
It took several tries to get the length I was happy with to control how high or low they
ride but now I can wear either with no problems no matter what I am doing.

The lanyard lets them float around a little and keeps things comfortable and pulls the T.G. off as soon as you clear the belt and move the pistol forward.

No problem re-holstering as the T.G. goes back on before going back in pants.
Like you I removed the bottom tail of the V.G. 2 as it kinda poked me a little
 

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I carry at 10:30-11:00 (think 1:00-1:30 if you are right handed). I cannot bring myself to use one of the minimalist holsters such as the vanguard; I prefer a more traditional AIWB holster. I also sold my Glock 19 because I am more comfortable carrying a hammer fired pistol. However, I am in no way saying you are wrong; whatever works for you is what works for you. BTW, no one has ever accused me of being skinny.
 
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I've been thinking about the appendix carry for a while. I can see why having a flat stomach would make it more concealed and comfortable. Wish I could rent a hoster and see if I could live with it, but sitting in a car with a gun digging into me sounds terrible.
 

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Another option for sitting down...rather than pushing the butt of the gun down, grab the grip and pull it up so it sits almost flush with your stomach. Then just use the excess shirt that's in your lap to make "rolls" out of your shirt to help conceal the gun while sitting.

This also helps keep your gun/holster from digging in next to your sensitive parts while sitting. I keep my G23 at roughly the 12:30-1:00 area while driving semi-truck for 10-14 hours a day with no pain whatsoever.

Also wearing a "wife beater" or other forms of an undershirt help tremendously! My entire upper body looks like it belongs to a black bear for how hairy I am so the undershirt keeps the holster/gun grip from ripping out my hair or pinching my fluffiness.

The one way snap buttons become much easier to use after you snap and unsnap them quite a few times. Like you, I almost gave up on it right away but instead I sat down and just worked the snap for an hour. Now its easy to snap it and unsnap it. Good luck and best of wishes on carrying AIWB!
 

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I like my gun about 4 o clock that way when I'm getting my wallet its right there. Plus with my big belly it easy to hide my draw
 

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Another option for sitting down...rather than pushing the butt of the gun down, grab the grip and pull it up so it sits almost flush with your stomach. Then just use the excess shirt that's in your lap to make "rolls" out of your shirt to help conceal the gun while sitting.

This also helps keep your gun/holster from digging in next to your sensitive parts while sitting. I keep my G23 at roughly the 12:30-1:00 area while driving semi-truck for 10-14 hours a day with no pain whatsoever.

Also wearing a "wife beater" or other forms of an undershirt help tremendously! My entire upper body looks like it belongs to a black bear for how hairy I am so the undershirt keeps the holster/gun grip from ripping out my hair or pinching my fluffiness.

The one way snap buttons become much easier to use after you snap and unsnap them quite a few times. Like you, I almost gave up on it right away but instead I sat down and just worked the snap for an hour. Now its easy to snap it and unsnap it. Good luck and best of wishes on carrying AIWB!
Thanks for the ideas and humor! The bear comment got me laughing pretty good!
 
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Given the standing photo and the slide already digging in, I can not see that working for me as my build would be much like yours. How is it not digging even deeper with sitting?
 

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I 5'8", 265.
I've found a little farther back, 2-2:30, with about 30° cant, is very comfortable for me.
I make my own holsters. Here is an OWB to show how the gun (full-size Beretta PX4 9mm) rides and the corresponding IWB holster.

(it actually sits father forward in use)

Here it is in a Remora holster. The grip tuck into/under the "roll".

Even when I was skinny (pre-marriage) I didn't like carrying behind me (4:00 on). I actually carried cross-draw for many years. Now it is uncomfortable.
hmmn.....interesting!!!....you're just an inch & 25 lbs more than me.....how does that setup works on you while driving?
 

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I 5'8", 265.
I've found a little farther back, 2-2:30, with about 30° cant, is very comfortable for me.
I make my own holsters. Here is an OWB to show how the gun (full-size Beretta PX4 9mm) rides and the corresponding IWB holster.

(it actually sits father forward in use)

Here it is in a Remora holster. The grip tuck into/under the "roll".

Even when I was skinny (pre-marriage) I didn't like carrying behind me (4:00 on). I actually carried cross-draw for many years. Now it is uncomfortable.
hmmn.....interesting!!!....you're just an inch & 25 lbs more than me.....how does that setup works on you while driving?
Works perfectly, comfortable all day long (truck driver).
The slide runs along the crease between thigh and torso. The IWB holster has no front seam to dig in.


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If Husky is a code word for Fat then weight reduction would resolve most issues in regards to position of carry. I speak from experience and I am not ridiculing others in regards to weight.
 

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Given the standing photo and the slide already digging in, I can not see that working for me as my build would be much like yours. How is it not digging even deeper with sitting?
Good questions. It looks like it is digging in, but the slide really isn't, just some fat squishing around the sides and not uncomfortable. When sitting, in just let the gun barrel move toward my left side a bit, and it is fine. I do pull the gun up slightly and it works great. The benefit of this style of holster is it allows me to move the gun enough in any direction to get it "just right".

I've been sitting in a booth at a Jack's restaurant (like a McDonald's for all you non southerners) for almost an hour working on my laptop and all is well. In fact, when I got busy on a call, I completely forgot about it. Still learning, still fidgeting, but this method works ok. The only major issue is bending over while sitting on the floor like when I tried to put my shoes on. I had to get in a chair.

So far, so good. Day two is promising.
 

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If Husky is a code word for Fat then weight reduction would resolve most issues in regards to position of carry. I speak from experience and I am not ridiculing others in regards to weight.
Husky is indeed a nice way to say fat. I think most of us realize that weight reduction would help. In fact, I mention it at length in my original post. But some folks don't want to or can't lose weight. So working "around it" is worth sharing IMO.

Congrats on your weight loss.
 
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On the weight issue.
At 13 years old I was 5'8" (like now) and 145 lbs.
I weighed 145 until I was 26 years old.
During those years I ran marathons, road raced motorcycles, and was practiced martial arts.
At 26 I started road racing bicycles and bumped to 155 lbs (thigh muscles).
At 31 years old I got married, had kids, no longer lived for myself. The weight started sticking.
Getting older, testosterone levels decreased. More hours working to pay more bills.
Now 57 years old and a truck driver. I'm on the road 5.5 days each week driving from CA to NE (or KS) and back. I get home I really just want to rest up (that testosterone thing).
I don't like being fat but I'm also tired of busting my butt.
I've earned my rest.
As far as the grip of the gun digging in, the holster has a full sweat shield. Otherwise I wear an undershirt. It's still comfortable wearing all day.

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