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I've been trying appendix with my Advanced Holster GL-1. The price is right, and if I don't like appendix I just move it back to the 4 0'clock position. I have the Utilclip which facilitates easy adjustment. My belly is bigger than I want, and like "patkelly4370" said I'm tired. Health issues(cancer twice, but thankfully it was removable both times) and age cause me to sit more than walk.

Brent at Advanced Holster says more people like the gun to be covered and he recommends the Full Cover. He has another holster option(half/full cover??), but I didn't see it on the website. I'll have to ask him for a picture. I want to get one for my Glock 29.
 

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After I started carrying a few years ago, through trial and error, I became a 3:00, zero cant, OWB man. I didn’t even really try appendix carry because of the usual excuses: my gun is too big; my belly is certainly too big; it can’t be comfortable; you can shoot your “boys” off. As a result, my attire in late spring, summer, and early fall down here in Georgia was almost always a T-shirt with an open covering shirt on top. Even carrying IWB was usually too noticeable under just an untucked polo, T-shirt, or buttoned-up collared shirt at 3:00.

However, a week ago my oldest son got a Galco Stow-N-Go for his Glock 19. He came into the room in jeans and a T-shirt and said, "Well?" To which I replied, "Well what?" And then he says, "Can you see it?" Just as I started to realize what we were talking about, he raised his T-shirt to reveal his gun in the new holster at the 1:00 position. Now, he does not have a gut like me, but he’s not skinny either. I was really impressed with how well the gun was hidden.

So, after gaining further inspiration from reading this thread this afternoon, I started experimenting with my Sig P229 in my Galco Triton holster this evening. I’m really surprised how well it feels, and conceals, in dress pants, with a dress (NOT gun) belt, under a white dress shirt. I may have to get a leather AIWB holster, and give it a real try.
 

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Check out jmck holsters. He makes aiwb that is about perfect. Add a little foam wedge to the back of the holster to keep it from canting away from your body and you'll have it!
 

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Well, all day I carried with the vanguard 2 at the 1 o'clock position. I drove some 50 miles and sat in two meetings and never was uncomfortable, BUT......

An issue arose that could get me killed. I removed my gun when I came home and realized the gun had started coming out of the holster. NO THANKS! My full kydex AIWB gets here Thursday. Maybe that'll work......

I've carried a gun for almost 7 years now, and this is the first time I've been "rattled" a little by carrying. Yikes.

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Well, all day I carried with the vanguard 2 at the 1 o'clock position. I drove some 50 miles and sat in two meetings and never was uncomfortable, BUT......

An issue arose that could get me killed. I removed my gun when I came home and realized the gun had started coming out of the holster. NO THANKS! My full kydex AIWB gets here Thursday. Maybe that'll work......

I've carried a gun for almost 7 years now, and this is the first time I've been "rattled" a little by carrying. Yikes.
Well, that isn't good. Did the holster come loose, or was it pushed loose throughout the day?
 

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first, i can show you hairy.... the zoo has accidentally tranqilized me twice.
As far as AIWB goes, good luck with that. As a middle heavy guy, I just cant do it .
 
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Well, all day I carried with the vanguard 2 at the 1 o'clock position. I drove some 50 miles and sat in two meetings and never was uncomfortable, BUT......

An issue arose that could get me killed. I removed my gun when I came home and realized the gun had started coming out of the holster. NO THANKS! My full kydex AIWB gets here Thursday. Maybe that'll work......

I've carried a gun for almost 7 years now, and this is the first time I've been "rattled" a little by carrying. Yikes.

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Uggg...kydex AIWB. I just can't stand kydex. Glad you can handle it though!
 

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You know what I hate the most about AIWB? It's the "tactikewl" broskis on YouTube that lament the dangers of appendix carry. They talk about flagging your man bits and femoral artery, but all I hear is them making excuses. It's all psychological, the reasons why they won't, but that's not what they go on and on about is it?

Honestly, I prefer the CC to OC debate over the AIWB debate. You can at least usually find some common ground. The anti-appendix carry Yahoo's though? There is no debate, as it's straight up "No, no, no no!" Whatever tactikewl guy, you just keep rocking your $3,000 gold and purple Glock with crazy optics. I'll just continue to take advice from undercover Air Marshall's, retired Delta and Seal operators, retired undercover Narco officers and my own experience. You do you and I'll do me. /rant
 

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I can't help with the husky part, cause I'm only 5'8" and 160 wet. I have a full stealthgear holster that I use with a nano for appendix and I was plesently surprised on how more comfortable it was than the 4 o'clock position, along with how well it hides. I haven't got it yet but I ordered a AIWB from them for my px4 that I am going to start carrying soon once I get the holster. The only time I notice it is when I'm on my motorcycle driving. I like the 4 o'clock because it was there by my wallet so I can pull that instead of the wallet, but really like the AIWB more and will use that all the time now.

Like I said though I an very skinny so I'm probably not helping
 

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I switch to AIWB for deep concealment, comfort and better access, but have become particular about which action I'll put there. Just don't feel comfortable with "spring-loaded" anything behind a primer in that location, so no half-/fully-cocked strikers or hammers - and I don't care to rely on internal or manual mechanical safeties.

For me, verifiable hammer down and controllable hammers during reholstering are must haves for chambered rounds there, so I guess it's DA/SA semis and revolvers for me.
 

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I use an AIWB holster that I found on Ebay through seller thanksman232. It uses the Raven overclip & claw and he attaches those to his own kydex shell. I have been using this setup a couple months and I must say, it is the most comfortable carry I've ever had, standing, sitting or driving. I can carry my G19 under just about any shirt I own and if I print, it is minimal. Best $35 bucks I ever spent on a holster.


 

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Another option for sitting down...rather than pushing the butt of the gun down, grab the grip and pull it up so it sits almost flush with your stomach. Then just use the excess shirt that's in your lap to make "rolls" out of your shirt to help conceal the gun while sitting.

This also helps keep your gun/holster from digging in next to your sensitive parts while sitting. I keep my G23 at roughly the 12:30-1:00 area while driving semi-truck for 10-14 hours a day with no pain whatsoever.

Also wearing a "wife beater" or other forms of an undershirt help tremendously! My entire upper body looks like it belongs to a black bear for how hairy I am so the undershirt keeps the holster/gun grip from ripping out my hair or pinching my fluffiness.

The one way snap buttons become much easier to use after you snap and unsnap them quite a few times. Like you, I almost gave up on it right away but instead I sat down and just worked the snap for an hour. Now its easy to snap it and unsnap it. Good luck and best of wishes on carrying AIWB!
Good comment. I just wanted to add. When seated, pull the gun up a little higher, shirt tucked behind the pistol, and seatbelt behind the pistol. This works for me, and your pistol is very accessible.
 

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I have a couple of VM2s that I bought for a specific job. You're right, reholstering is a pain, and if you adjust a 19 up enough to get a full grip, it gets pushed out and prints. A 17 or 34 works better with this rig IMO.

For a conventional AIWB holster, I have a couple of JM Custom Kydex AIWBs and a George that work extremely well. I'm completely sold on appendix when I can go untucked.
 

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So it's been over a year since I started this thread and wanted to update. First of all, I am all but 100% of the time carrying in the appendix position. Once I got used to it I find it to be as comfortable as my crossbreed, and in some ways more so. Mainly because with appendix carry the weight of my gun (Glock 23/19) is less noticeable to me and I can wear my belt less tight without the gun pulling my pants down.

I have carried almost exclusively with the Vanguard 2 in post #1, and hey, I'm not dead! I've done a ton of presentations with a loaded gun and never had a boo boo. I don't reholster while wearing it, obviously. I recently got a Phlster "classic" and really, really like it. It seems bulky and big when just looking at it, but when worn it hides the gun better than the Vanguard. Maybe not quite as comfy, but not "UN" comfortable.

I tried to go out with the crossbreed on behind the hip and it feels so foreign to me now I came back home and changed to the Phlster.

So after over a year of dedicated "fat man" AIWB carry, here are my pros and cons:
Pro:
1. Concealment of larger weapons easier
2. Weight of gun not really an issue
3. MUCH easier to wear tucked than crossbreed
4. Speed to first shot from concealment (almost one and a half seconds faster)
5. Easier to access pistol while driving, fighting on my back, etc

Cons:
1. STILL have a loaded gun pointed in a bad direction
2. After about 4 hours the barrel/end of the holster start to get annoying on my leg
3. Rear sight of my Trijicon HD is sharp and sometimes cuts my fat
4. Hard to tie my shoes (seriously, gotta out shoes on FIRST)

Hope this helps. I NEVER thought I'd carry appendix, but now, I can't carry any other way (save for my pocket with the bodyguard 380).
 

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So it's been over a year since I started this thread and wanted to update. First of all, I am all but 100% of the time carrying in the appendix position. Once I got used to it I find it to be as comfortable as my crossbreed, and in some ways more so. Mainly because with appendix carry the weight of my gun (Glock 23/19) is less noticeable to me and I can wear my belt less tight without the gun pulling my pants down.

I have carried almost exclusively with the Vanguard 2 in post #1, and hey, I'm not dead! I've done a ton of presentations with a loaded gun and never had a boo boo. I don't reholster while wearing it, obviously. I recently got a Phlster "classic" and really, really like it. It seems bulky and big when just looking at it, but when worn it hides the gun better than the Vanguard. Maybe not quite as comfy, but not "UN" comfortable.

I tried to go out with the crossbreed on behind the hip and it feels so foreign to me now I came back home and changed to the Phlster.

So after over a year of dedicated "fat man" AIWB carry, here are my pros and cons:
Pro:
1. Concealment of larger weapons easier
2. Weight of gun not really an issue
3. MUCH easier to wear tucked than crossbreed
4. Speed to first shot from concealment (almost one and a half seconds faster)
5. Easier to access pistol while driving, fighting on my back, etc

Cons:
1. STILL have a loaded gun pointed in a bad direction
2. After about 4 hours the barrel/end of the holster start to get annoying on my leg
3. Rear sight of my Trijicon HD is sharp and sometimes cuts my fat
4. Hard to tie my shoes (seriously, gotta out shoes on FIRST)

Hope this helps. I NEVER thought I'd carry appendix, but now, I can't carry any other way (save for my pocket with the bodyguard 380).
Fantastic review. Thanks for coming back to this. I am glad you aren't dead!
 

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I'm also a big guy I'm waiting on a Remora with a ulti clip to see how I like it I currently have a AG cloak 3.0 and and mod owb I'm trying out.
I'm a fully vested, card carrying fat-arse. I seldom wear a belt... in fact I spend most of my time in the comfort of Reebok pants that don't even have belt loops. I've carried in just about every type of holster you can imagine over the past 30-40 years, hating some, loving others.

As I type this on a warm summer morning, I've got a P938 in a Remora RFT-SS with an UltiClip at about 1:30, canted back just a little. It's easy to adjust (if needed), comfortable all day long, easy to access and re-holster, stays right where I put it and it actually helps keep the pants up if I put something heavy in my right front pocket.

I have similar Remora configurations for my Sig P250/45, and XD40 Service and a full size 1911. Similar results, although the 1911 is sometimes just a bit too long for AIWB carry.
 

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I've had similar results with AIWB. I am a bit different in that I'm carrying a Shield .45, which is a lot skinnier than me! The only Glocks I've found I can carry comfortably are the 30S and amazingly, the winner in the Glock category: the G36. The Shield works in almost any AIWB holster there is. The short barrel and thin lines make it much easier to conceal. I'll add a couple of thoughts to your list about AIWB from my experiences:

Holsters: I have found that among Kydex holsters, the Blade-Tech Klipt (very inexpensive - Shield) works better than some that are a lot more pricey. The Vanguard 2 is also very good, but only for Glocks, the 36 being the easiest to conceal in comfort. The Vedder is also an excellent holster that works well, but gun selection is limited.

General gun thoughts: Barrel length, which never was a problem with 3 o'clock IWB, is a problem with AIWB, unless you ride the gun very high. Riding high causes more issues with the "protruding grip", so a shorter and thinner grip is easier to conceal. Size matters!!! Short barrel, narrow guns completely disappear.

Clothing: A T-shirt (in whatever flavor you prefer) makes a lot of difference in comfort level. If you buy extra large/tall Ts, the long tail helps with contacting holster parts. As with most concealment issues I've found, a button down shirt. untucked, conceals best. Outer wear T-shirts need to be large, or you may get printing, if that is a concern.

Not much, but most has already been said. I can't stress enough how easy the Shield .45 is to conceal AIWB with the right holster.
 
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I've found that moving my belt buckle more to the left (I'm right handed) and placing the weapon pretty much dead center aligned with my belly button make sitting more comfortable. That keeps it from pushing on my leg and gives me full leg movement. The only time it gets uncomfortable is when bending over to pick up something off the floor. But the experts tell us we should be squatting not bending so that solves the problem.

Also in that position if you sit with your legs spread slightly you are not muzzling your femoral artery. Its still pointing somewhat at your junk. But at 61 years old and 4 kids I'm not too worried though I am sure it would hurt like a b....
 

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So it's been over a year since I started this thread and wanted to update. First of all, I am all but 100% of the time carrying in the appendix position. Once I got used to it I find it to be as comfortable as my crossbreed, and in some ways more so. Mainly because with appendix carry the weight of my gun (Glock 23/19) is less noticeable to me and I can wear my belt less tight without the gun pulling my pants down.

I have carried almost exclusively with the Vanguard 2 in post #1, and hey, I'm not dead! I've done a ton of presentations with a loaded gun and never had a boo boo. I don't reholster while wearing it, obviously. I recently got a Phlster "classic" and really, really like it. It seems bulky and big when just looking at it, but when worn it hides the gun better than the Vanguard. Maybe not quite as comfy, but not "UN" comfortable.

I tried to go out with the crossbreed on behind the hip and it feels so foreign to me now I came back home and changed to the Phlster.

So after over a year of dedicated "fat man" AIWB carry, here are my pros and cons:
Pro:
1. Concealment of larger weapons easier
2. Weight of gun not really an issue
3. MUCH easier to wear tucked than crossbreed
4. Speed to first shot from concealment (almost one and a half seconds faster)
5. Easier to access pistol while driving, fighting on my back, etc

Cons:
1. STILL have a loaded gun pointed in a bad direction
2. After about 4 hours the barrel/end of the holster start to get annoying on my leg
3. Rear sight of my Trijicon HD is sharp and sometimes cuts my fat
4. Hard to tie my shoes (seriously, gotta out shoes on FIRST)

Hope this helps. I NEVER thought I'd carry appendix, but now, I can't carry any other way (save for my pocket with the bodyguard 380).
Great post that mirrors my experiences with AIWB.

For Glock, S&W M&P, and Springfield users I highly recommend the Blackhawk ARC holster, which is cheap, well designed for AIWB, and works great. It's a cheap and easy way to try AIWB.

REholstering is the time for extreme care with AIWB. I personally pull the holster out 100% of the time before I reholster with the gun pointed in a safe direction. Today I was in a brief where a LEO was discussing CCW and I was surprised when he highly recommended AIWB as the best way to carry and conceal a gun. He mentioned that having a gun pointed at your crotch took getting used to, but he didn't highlight the danger of reholstering at all IMO.

That said, I've been pocket carrying and carrying OWB at 3-4 o'clock for the last month or two since I've moved back to revolvers. It's almost impossible to find a decent AIWB holster for a revolver. I ordered one for my GP100 and he's taking every bit of the predicted 7 weeks to get it done. I can't blame him for meeting his predicted delay, but, geez, it feels like forever.
 

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I have a bunch of Appendix carry holsters, I like my Tier 1, just because I can pull the mag carrier off, I am going to order a Tac lab one here shortly. I am using the printing as a reason to try to shed some weight
 
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