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"Hopefully, they'll come up with the truth," Ron Knight, a cousin of McGrath, said after a church service in Plymouth. "It's a one-way story right now -- their story. Cops being judge, jury and executioner -- it ain't right."

A vehicle coming at a police officer (or anyone else) has to be considered life threatening. But not to these bleeding-heart liberals who claim that all you have to do is get out of the way! Do the math, avoiding a speeding vehicle is unlikely for even a world class sprinter let alone an average citizen.
Oh, and of course the perp was a kind hearted boy. Yeah, he was just breaking into a liguour store, thats not serious and the part about driving towards the cops, but he was just confused.....he would never hurt anyone.

Full story is HERE.
 

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Assuming their story is true, and reading the article it appears the person was coming right at them, it's unfortunate that the shooting is being considered to be unjustified.

I wish I was fast enough to leap out of the way of a speeding vehicle, but I seriously doubt i could
 

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Boston huh, bummer. If it had been Alabama, Florida, Texas or other states around here (Down South) I'm pretty sure the shoot would have been justified.

I tried to pull up http://www.packing.org to see how things were in that area but seems the site is having problems for now.
 

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Amazing.

IMHO fully justified. Then again, i'm one of those people that thinks if you run from the police, they should just shoot you outright, but that's just me.
 

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As being a FORMER Ma resident..........I firmly believe the Police did what they had to do in order to protect themselves.
A vehicle, being driven directly at you, or being driven in a threatning manner, as to endanger the lives of the immediate public, including these LEOs is considered to be a deadly weapon.
I believe they were justified in what they did, and I believe they knew this kid's "history" as well.
Plymouth Ma, where this happened is a fairly quiet area, (where the Pilgrims landed) near the Cape Cod Canal area. it doesn't surprise me though, with all the "bleeding hearts" that they'll try to fry these LEOs for just attempting to protect themselves, and also, this is the State that makes you flee your residence, should a Burglar break into your private abode....GGGGGEEESH
Just my .02 worth though
 

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Once again we are seeing people in America refusing to take responsibility for their own actions. This young man was given "one last chance" by a judge and he chose to follow the wrong path and paid the ultimate price. Our feelings of sorrow should go out to the police officers that had to do their jobs that night. These brave Men and Women have chosen to take a job that helps maintain order and protect people in our society.
Now don't get me wrong. I do feel sad that a young person lost his life. But that loss came about by his decisions and actions, not yours, not mine and not the officers. Maybe if society would not blame those that serve, but blame the family and friends that allowed this young man to keep getting into trouble with the law, he would still be here today.
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Mike you're 1000% on target with everything you said. :yup:
:congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
 

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Agree with Bob - Mike has summed that up pretty darned well.
 

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Not sure how fast the vehicle was moving at the officers or the whole situation, but it is plausible that they could have moved out of way. But then again that could be along the lines of someone coming at you with a knife...just move out of the way.:aargh4:
 

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Moral of the Story

If a cop is telling you to stop what you're doing and has a gun pointed at you...STOP! And I guess we should also get the liberal media to start demonizing cars...they've certainly done a good job of that with guns.:aargh4:
 

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"Most of the time the suspects are leaving the scene. All the officer has to do is get out of the way and you're not in any danger," said Geoffrey Alpert, a University of South Carolina professor who has helped departments revise use-of-force policies. Wow I am currently a Major in the Criminal Justice program at USC and I hope to god I never have this guy. It seems like he does not understand reality. If a "speeding" car is coming at me, I think the only choice is to jump out of the way if I can't fire at him. Laying on the ground or even running away is about the worst position I would want to be in where someone who commited a crime is driving and obviously will do anything to get away. I guess after a cop gets run over then it is ok to shoot?

"The teenager had "a big heart," helped a handicapped neighbor, and often brought home stray cats" Ok OK who the hell is commiting all of these crime? It seems like every criminal that has been killed should have been voluntering at the local Red Cross.

I guess I can also say that I don't know the entire story. So anything could have "really" happened but I will side with the LE officers on this one until I read differently. I hope they will be able to return because I know they are going through a lot of stress now.

By the way, all of the professors that I have taken in the CJ program at USC are very pro LE.
 

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A big +1 to Bob. It has become so cliche how every young person that gets shot by the police is such a "good boy" and just misunderstood. The guy was trying to rob a store, smashed his car into a wall and a pole and then headed for the police. Sounds like he was just out for a Sunday drive to me! [/sarcasm]

Though the issue of whether the police should shoot at a moving car could be a valid issue on it's own. Not sure on that.
 

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After reading all your good posts on this Thread, I'm sitting here, listening to the 6PM news ... This week alone, I've heard of at least 12 armed robberies at stores and banks. Seems most of the thugs are coming from "south of the border' (from Massachusetts)
I guess they feel us "counrty bumpkins" are good pikkins...NOT.
No wonder why there's been a jump in CC Pistol and Revolver licenses issued in the past year around here. I find myself carrying everywhere I go now (not that I didn't before) but even out to the store, for a bag of chips or gallon of milk. Who knows what I'll run into, or who will run into me..
If it's an armed confrontation, I know how I'll handle it, in order to protect myself. Seems to be a "no fear " attitude with these types.

BTW.........I just re-newed my CC Permit..........paid my 10 bucks.......signed the form, showed my current residence (NH Drivers' License) and after 10 days, (this included 2 weekends) the PD sent it to my home..how's that for service with a smile?
GOOD TO GO TIL 2010........
 

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Personally, I would rather read stories like this than one that headlines:"Police officer run down in line of duty... Leaves wife and 3 young children...."

Anyone have a ballistic calculator for an estimated 2000 pound car travelling at a guessed 30mph? The service .40 caliber might have well been the underdog in the force vs. force calculation.

Nice shooting officers. Thanks for volunteering to do a job that will never pay monetarily to the level of risk.
 

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estimated 2000 pound car travelling at a guessed 30mph?
Well that's a light vehicle but - using 30mph as 44 fps - we get an energy figure of close to 60,000 ft lbs! :eek:

That of course spread over the whole frontal area, unlike the concentrated effect of something as small as a bullet.
 

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The article also alluded to a nationwide movement to review (implication is restrict/change) departmental rules on dealing with fleeing suspects and shooting at cars. This incident may be used as a trigger to further restrict an officers ability to apply deadly force when confronted with deadly force.
 

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Well I always said cars can be just as lethal as any weapon now maybe those bleeding hearts will listen. So now the Lib's are trying to keep the police from doing their job too. One more step to being a Victim Nation.
 

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Guys am I missing something here? Am I to believe that the answer to a speeding car coming straight at you is to shoot it? Does that stop the car? It may kill the driver, but how long will it take for the car to stop?

It seems to me that if you don't have time to get out of the way, shooting the driver or the car is not going to stop the car in time either.

Not saying the shooting was unjustified, I firmly believe it was. What I'm questioning is how shooting a car that's speeding straight at you will help?
 

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Most of the time the suspects are leaving the scene. All the officer has to do is get out of the way
Yeah, just dodge the speeding car (as seen on TV), let the perp escape the crime scene and start an all-over-town car chase with six-figure property damage and two-figure human casualties (as seen on TV).
 
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