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I've never been "tagged" or approached by anyone, not in all the years I've carried. I've been in convenience stores in front of LEO's, Wally World, Bass Pro, and have been stopped by Bass Pro LEO security because my boots security tag wasn't removed and set off the alarm. Twice! Zero, "Do you have a gun"? I guess my concealed OWB carry is okay despite a slight bulge. My carry guns are full sized, mostly a P226, or a P30LS. No pocket guns or other diminutive substitutes for me, therefore, I Don't fret getting noticed. Now maybe if I were in a Dunkin Doughnuts... (jk). Geez, some people are overly paranoid!
I don't think you read the opening post. The person I'm talking about was so obvious that some random soccer mom walk up to him in Walmart and ask him if he's carrying a gun. That's not paranoia, that's stupidity.
 

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So my question is barring a major wardrobe malfunction do people get "made" that frequently? Is it really a thing?


I would guess that about 98% do not get "made". My thinking is that if you can't actually see some part of the gun or the holster, then you don't know what you're not seeing. You just think you know.

You could be looking at the bulge from a knife sheath, cellphone, tumor, hernia, fanny pack, undeveloped siamese twin, colostomy bag , or a gun. You would really just be guessing, wouldn't you?

I for one, am not going to ask someone what that bulge is on their side. None of my business. And when someone asks me what the bulge is on my side, I'll say "when I think it's any of your business, I'll tell you. "
 

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Never had anyone ask me whether I have been pocket carrying, carrying OWB, IWB or AIWB. Not in California, Arizona, Utah, Montana, Nevada, Wyoming or Idaho. Not in big cities like Los Angeles or Las Vegas, not in small towns with populations of 3000.
 

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First I want to give an idea of the setting. I was checking a city building in the late afternoon and the building was situated across the street from a railroad right-of-way and then right past the railroad right-of-way was the interstate and the Railroad right-of-way was wooded.

So I'm doing my check and all of a sudden five cop cars pull into the parking lot and the cops get out and surround me. They told me that there had been report of some guy sitting in the woods by the railroad right-of-way with some type of rifle possibly an AR and they were there check it out.

So they asked me if I'd seen anything, I told them no and they told me to exercise caution because they didn't know for sure where the guy was at.

Then they asked me if I was armed.

I mean five cops, broad daylight there literally less than arm's distance from me and no one thought to look and see if I was carrying a gun?
 

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Never had a stranger ask if or what I was carrying. I can remember one time I was very obviously exposed when my daughter lifted my shirt because she wanted my wallet to 'pay' in the Publix checkout line. Even though I saw the staff lock eyes on my hip, they never said anything.
 

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I have been made a couple of times since 1980 something. Its really of no consequence because I do not entertain inquires made of me by strangers. How well I conceal my firearm depends on many factors. I am not some sort of elitist in this regard, sometimes I conceal rather well and other times I print rather noticeably. I do not carry with the idea that my weapon in UNDETECTIBLE. I carry with the idea that my weapon is not obvious (as a weapon) to the casual observer.

I carry a gun because I can.. I conceal it because it pleases me. I am not in a contest with anyone over who can conceal their handgun the best. I am not really concerned about the sensibilities of the walking around public who may encounter me while shopping. I simply mind my own business and do not grant nosey strangers any power over me. Its rude but it serves me.

I say this as someone who abides by the law and respects private property right. If you have a gunbuster sign, I wont enter with my gun. If you don't have a gunbuster sign, I do not take questions from the citizenry. If a LEO wants to ask me a question, I will kindly answer it.

That's about it


ps: I do remember about 10 years ago, some guy who I suspect was a loss prevention or something- was following me around one of the big box stores. When I was sure he was following me, I kindly placed a few items in his cart. He didn't follow me after that
 

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I've been 'made' once that I know of over the years. Early on, wearing a fanny pack sort of thing ( I know ...). Another fanny pack wearer came around a corner and about slammed into me. We both stood back, locked our eyes on the fanny packs, had a quick 'I know what you got there' moment and went about our business.
 

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I don't give much thought to extreme concealment here in FL. The law says it has to be concealed "from ordinary view," which means covered. IWB or OWB under a loose shirt is about as concealed as I get.
 

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I've been 'made' once that I know of over the years. Early on, wearing a fanny pack sort of thing ( I know ...). Another fanny pack wearer came around a corner and about slammed into me. We both stood back, locked our eyes on the fanny packs, had a quick 'I know what you got there' moment and went about our business.
You ran into Nutnfancy while you were out shopping ? Cool. :rolleyes:
 

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ps: I do remember about 10 years ago, some guy who I suspect was a loss prevention or something- was following me around one of the big box stores. When I was sure he was following me, I kindly placed a few items in his cart. He didn't follow me after that
I don’t KNOW this was a Home Depot, but it sure sounds like one.

EDIT: Wal-Mart. Wow. I walk too fast for any Wal-Martian to follow me.
 

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My point isn't so much if people who know what to look for spot you as it is how poorly do you have to be concealing before some random soccer mom figures it out?
That is an exercise in game theory. You have a lot of variables here that all effect the other variables in uncertain, undetermined ways.

For the most part, I would conclude based on my experience that:

1) The gun must be obvious to the casual observer;

2) The gun must be unmistakable as a gun, not as another object;

3) The potential observers are paying or not paying attention at some unknown level of consciousness;

4) There are an unknown number of observers,

5) the environment may or may not have unrelated levels of distraction (e.g. museum versus cell phone versus carnival versus rock concert in the dark); and

6) the observers are not impaired

Once you figure out the variables, and the effect on the others, if any, you can get down to some serious game theory.

Otherwise, it is a wild guess and a waste of time.
 

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There is a scene in the John Wayne film "Branningan." Wayne plays a Detective Lieutenant who is sent to London to escort a mobster back to the US. He meets his contact, a Scotland Yard Superintendent, in his London office. The Superintendent says words to the effect, "I notice you are carrying a .38 Special Colt Diamondback with the 4" barrel under your jacket," which he supposedly deduced just by looking at the bulge! Those Brits are really observant!

I not only have never had anyone notice I was CC'ing, but only once has anyone mentioned or shown recognition "tells" that I they saw I was OC'ing!
 

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My clothing choices have ranged from a green bag (USAF flight suit) to my normal dress nowadays which is blue jeans and either a button down or T-shirt. Not once in over 40 years of carrying have I been asked if I am armed.
 

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Carried a gun all of my life and never been asked...but, to be honest, I am not jumping through one single hoop in order to not be made, on most days...I DON'T CARE.
 

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We just got home from spending five hours in the home of Liberal friends.
We had lots of good conversation.
I stood around, I sat down, I ate my tea, I helped bus dishes.
Jean knows I was carrying (OWB at about 3:00), but our hosts still don't.

If they don't expect it, they don't look for it.
If they don't look for it, they don't notice it.
 

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My clothing choices have ranged from a green bag (USAF flight suit) to my normal dress nowadays which is blue jeans and either a button down or T-shirt. Not once in over 40 years of carrying have I been asked if I am armed.
Are you armed?

Reset your clock now.
 
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Are you armed?

Reset your clock now.
Right now no but my EDC 1911 is in the kitchen, I have a S&W Model 31 on my computer desk and a Taurus Judge here in the living room.
 
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