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I was listening to NPR and they made Armslist sound like the back alleys of a bad neighborhood.

they said that since you don't need a background check during private sale and can send guns UPS... anyone can buy a gun from anyone and across state lines

what do you guys think
 

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I believe you cant just ship guns to people. You have to send them to a licensed FFL.

I have posted guns to sell and looked for guns on Armslist and nobody would sell without the person getting the gun transferred to their name, requiring a background check, ect.
 

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please tell me how they are wrong. Im new to guns and certainly have never used armslist
Go to the ATF website and read the FAQ's. They are explained in regular english and are easily understandable. Enjoy.
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Must be shipped to an FFL and a background check and paperwork must be completed before the FFL transfers it to the buyer. (My understanding. not a lawyer)
 

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Yes, UPS ships firearms, but only from one ffl to another. No ffl, no gun. NPR is a bunch of douche wads.
 

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Can you possibly buy a gun on Armslist and have it shipped, without doing a background check? Yes, but you are just as likely to be turned in by on honest gun dealer or private seller and get a visit by the AFT. For every dishonest dealer or seller, you are going to have 20-30 or more honest ones.
 

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Firearms - Frequently Asked Questions - Unlicensed Persons | ATF
Must be shipped to an FFL and a background check and paperwork must be completed before the FFL transfers it to the buyer. (My understanding. not a lawyer)
Yes, UPS ships firearms, but only from one ffl to another. No ffl, no gun. NPR is a bunch of douche wads.
Both of these answers are dead wrong, guys. Sorry. There are conditions and rules for every situation of firearms sales, shipping, NICS, and transfer. If you're not an FFL, please don't steer this guy wrong.

OP, go to the ATF site and get good information, or visit a gun store and use an FFL. There is NO grace with the ATF for "didn't know" or "I was told."

Firearms - Frequently Asked Questions - Unlicensed Persons | ATF
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Firearms - Frequently Asked Questions - Unlicensed Persons | ATF



Both of these answers are dead wrong, guys. Sorry. There are conditions and rules for every situation of firearms sales, shipping, NICS, and transfer. If you're not an FFL, please don't steer this guy wrong.

OP, go to the ATF site and get good information, or visit a gun store and use an FFL. There is NO grace with the ATF for "didn't know" or "I was told."

Firearms - Frequently Asked Questions - Unlicensed Persons | ATF
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A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm

When a transaction takes place between private (unlicensed) persons who reside in the same State, the Gun Control Act (GCA) does not require any record keeping. A private person may sell a firearm to another private individual in his or her State of residence and, similarly, a private individual may buy a firearm from another private person who resides in the same State. It is not necessary under Federal law for a Federal firearms licensee (FFL) to assist in the sale or transfer when the buyer and seller are “same-State” residents. Of course, the transferor/seller may not knowingly transfer a firearm to someone who falls within any of the categories of prohibited persons contained in the GCA. See 18 U.S.C. §§ 922(g) and (n). However, as stated above, there are no GCA-required records to be completed by either party to the transfer.

There may be State or local laws or regulations that govern this type of transaction. Contact State Police units or the office of your State Attorney General for information on any such requirements.

Please note that if a private person wants to obtain a firearm from a private person who resides in another State, the firearm will have to be shipped to an FFL in the buyer’s State. The FFL will be responsible for record keeping. See also Question B3


BUT in theory a person could post a phone number or email address- then request paypal- then ship via UPS to an unknown person. It would be illegal as hell but it would physicaly be possible to do on armslist. it wouldn't work on craigslist bc guns cant be sold on craigslist (I think)
 

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BUT in theory a person could post a phone number or email address- then request paypal- then ship via UPS to an unknown person. It would be illegal as hell but it would physicaly be possible to do on armslist. it wouldn't work on craigslist bc guns cant be sold on craigslist (I think)


But in theory you can make all the laws you want, could even squash the 2A and outlaw guns. Criminals dont abide by the law and will get guns through the blackmarket which is hardly armslist, although you cant tell by what they are currently asking for ammo.

Recent events should make it clear that those intent on harming and terrorizing others will do so. You can't always stop evil before it hapens but you can be prepared for it when it does happen.
 

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Sure, any bulletin board is going to be maligned by the gun-grabbers and liberty-haters as evil incarnate, merely because firearms can be advertised there. Armslist is simply one of the ones that stick out like a "sore" thumb. But blaming the bulletin board makes about as much sense as claiming background checks are going to stop folks from acquiring their weapons despite the fact they acquire them under the radar, off the grid, where checks don't exist. Armslist isn't a scourge, any more than NPR is the "gold standard" for righteous, unbiased, truthful reporting.
 

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Arms list does bring a bad element to it since one can sell a weapon in there own state to someone that lives in the state no questions asked...

Not a place I would go to purchase a weapon.........
 

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Arms list does bring a bad element to it since one can sell a weapon in there own state to someone that lives in the state no questions asked...
But that's true of any bulletin board, whether at the local range, Craigslist, a forum, or anything else, including the local telephone poles in our own towns. GunBroker, too, as arrangements for transfer of the item and money are done off-board, between the buyer and seller; and no real controls of the board are going to ensure that end of things gets handled cleanly or legally, if bad actors are the players. It is what it is, though Craigslist, Armslist and a few other such spots do have reputations for drawing some of the seedier elements.
 

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I believe, in my opinion, that skeetsak is a troll. He has also posted in another thread regarding the amendments that he had read that "it was a good law, why was it voted down." I think he's just here to instigate and arouse ..... and that's fine too, we can lob him back and forth across the net with the badminton racquets.
 
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The New York Times just published an article about websites such as "Armslist" (link below). The article is titled "Seeking Gun or Selling One, Web Is a Land of Few Rules."

I am curious to hear what this forum has to say about alleged private transactions (fact vs. fiction). Can one, in fact, purchase a handgun or rifle (in or out of state), without any sort of background check? The article cites multiple examples of such incidents.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/17/u...-a-land-of-few-rules.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
 

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please tell me how they are wrong. Im new to guns and certainly have never used armslist
All my armslist dealings require one, two, or maybe three of the following. The seller requires that the person that wants to buy from them has both a valid state issued I.D and a Conceal Carry permit. Now take what I just said and add and FFL dealer. Or just use an FFL dealer.

anyone who does a sale against the laws of their state as well as the federal laws will likely be found and prosecuted. Now I'm far from tech savvy but I know that the ATF has some computer nerd that can track you digitally and find you. That being said people use the above three methods.
 
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BUT in theory a person could post a phone number or email address- then request paypal- then ship via UPS to an unknown person. It would be illegal as hell but it would physicaly be possible to do on armslist. it wouldn't work on craigslist bc guns cant be sold on craigslist (I think)
Based on that logic you would consider criagslist, ebay, autotrader.com black markets because IN THEORY someone could sell something illegal, like stolen items. The existence of a website doesn't constitute a black market. To arbitrarily label things as a "black market" based upon the possibility of illegal activities doesn't make any sense at all. Would you call a city street corner where its possible that someone might illegally purchase drugs a "black market"? No, you wouldn't.
 
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