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It just keeps getting crazier and crazier:

"A decorated war veteran on a Boy Scout hike with his 15-year-old son was arrested alongside a Texas country road after a police officer accused him of “rudely displaying” a firearm.

Army Master Sgt. C.J. Grisham told Fox News he was illegally disarmed by members of the Temple Police Dept. – even though he held the proper permits to carry his weapons."


War Veteran Arrested for ?Rudely Displaying? Rifle | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes
 

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"Rudely display" a rifle. Or, walking along in cougar country carrying a rifle, in which the rifle happened to be one of the "evil black" ones and fair game because of it.

Charges were dropped, but then he's charged with interfering with LE. Sounds like BS, proof the original claims weren't justifiable.

But then, we weren't there and didn't see whatever it is the LE/witnesses claimed to have seen.
 

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This is going to get very interesting and costly for Tempe Police.
 

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So, heh heh... it would have been fine if he'd just been displaying a rifle, as long as the police didn't think he was doing so rudely?
 

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Won't comment until I see the entire video. The guy seems to be some sort of gun rights activist and similar videos are all over YouTube. From what I saw: there was clear rights violations but we saw only what the presenter wanted us to see and the video from the officers may show a very different encounter.
 

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"Rudely" is such a vague and subjective term that I doubt it would hold up to any constitutional challenge.
 

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Jean Louise, What permits?

If outside Temple city limits, there are some interesting critters in the fields and woods. Carrying might be a fairly prudent thing.
If inside Temple limits, who knows what local rules they might have, and if any apply to their so called extraterritorial jurisdiction which extends out 5 miles from the city boundaries.


Will be interesting to see what this really is all about and the outcome.
 

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...what's this about jurisdiction 5 miles out??? can you cite this law??? never heard of it before...

...searching Temple ordinances...haven't found any "rudely displaying" law...I think a lawyer's gonna have a ball with this one...

...the handling of the son and telling him he wasn't getting out of the squad car till he answered some questions...may be a whole nother issue...
Jean Louise, What permits?

If outside Temple city limits, there are some interesting critters in the fields and woods. Carrying might be a fairly prudent thing.
If inside Temple limits, who knows what local rules they might have, and if any apply to their so called extraterritorial jurisdiction which extends out 5 miles from the city boundaries.


Will be interesting to see what this really is all about and the outcome.
 

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I am looking into my 'crystal ball', and I see the Temple Police Department being made to 'rudely' display (and hand over) lots of CASH.:yup:
 

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...what's this about jurisdiction 5 miles out??? can you cite this law??? never heard of it before...

...searching Temple ordinances...haven't found any "rudely displaying" law...I think a lawyer's gonna have a ball with this one...
In Ga there are "reciprocal agreements" that allow LEO to step in when they see an issue and there is no jurisdictional LEO available. I'm sure that there is a similar provision in most jurisdictions. While this is on the far end of the spectrum as far as Officer behavior goes; in Ga all they would have to do is say that a person was in the city limits and they were searching for them when they saw the suspicious person outside the city limits. There would be no question as to jusrisdiction.

Same as a multi-jurisdictional chase: involved officers would continue into other jurisdictions with the cooperation of the jurisdictional law enforcement until they arrived at the scene.
 

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...that's called close pursuit...that I'm familiar with...


...what I don't understand, is, if he was outside the city limits to begin with, what jurisdiction do city officers may have to answer "calls"...
...and the "charge" of rudely displaying seems to be bogus...still searching...
 

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Sorry, I lived there and the cops do anything they want with a bold big TEXAS screw you attitude. I'm watching this cop unholster the 45 and lift it over the man's head and shoulders sweeping him. This is exactly why I don't trust someone with 10 hours a year of training to unholster and handle my gun when he can't even handle one safely. By the way how can you rudely display an AR-15 when it's clearly hanging around the neck on a sling? You also hear one cop clearly say just having the gun means you are dangerous. Just listened to the cops very closely, they are clearly wrong in what I hear.
 

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"Rudely" is such a vague and subjective term that I doubt it would hold up to any constitutional challenge.
And I'd highly doubt "rude" display is what's in the statutes. More like, Criminal Menacing (which requires deliberate action/intent to intimidate). Unless they're capable of providing substantive details for justifying such a claim, this smells like a power-hungry MWAG shake-down.
 

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I would like to reserve judgement until I see the whole videos.

In Texas there is no "open carry" for handguns.

If you have a concealed weapon license for the handgun, the handgun is supposed to be concealed.

The rifle itself is not illegal to walk around with if you are hunting, but carrying it in a public place in a manner calculated to alarm is a crime.

We shall see what we shall see on this one :confused:
 

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...as the video shows, his handgun was properly concealed...has nothing to do with this case...

...down a country road and properly slung is not "in a manner calculated to alarm"...and the police knew it, or they'd have charged him with that crime TX PC 42.01...which they did not...so that has nothing to do with this case, either...

... "if you are hunting" has nothing to do with carrying a long gun legally in Texas, either...

...they've already reduced the charge they DID charge him with...
 

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And I'd highly doubt "rude" display is what's in the statutes. More like, Criminal Menacing (which requires deliberate action/intent to intimidate). Unless they're capable of providing substantive details for justifying such a claim, this smells like a power-hungry MWAG shake-down.
Think not? I can't speak for the local TX statutes, but here's an example of "rude" in FL law"

FL 790.10 Improper exhibition of dangerous weapons or firearms.—
If any person having or carrying any dirk, sword, sword cane, firearm, electric weapon or device, or other weapon shall, in the presence of one or more persons, exhibit the same in a rude, careless, angry, or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense, the person so offending shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree,...

While I don't know of any FL case law based on someone being tried for "rude exhibition," it is not uncommon for courts to throw out laws based on vague or subjective wording. What may be "rude" to a stiff-lipped, upper-class snob may be an open-armed, great big "Howdy" to some of us other folks.
 
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