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Extra agents press Houston gun checks
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SAN ANTONIO — A four-month manpower boost is helping U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives inspect about 1,000 licensed gun dealers in and around Houston.

Acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson said Thursday in many dealers hadn’t been inspected in six or seven years. Then, an extra 100 agents descended on Houston this spring to start clearing out backlogged work.

Dealers are required to maintain paperwork on guns they sell so the ATF can trace firearms used in crimes in the United States. and elsewhere. Melson said leads in gunrunning investigations quickly dry up if dealers don’t keep proper paperwork, so ensuring compliance is important.

The ATF has increased its focus on gunrunning and aiding Mexican authorities as violence involving drug cartels has escalated.
Sounds to me like the feds are going on fishing expeditions and won't stop with just Houston,I wonder how come they haven't checked some in over 7 years,if it's required by law then aren't they guilty of dereliction of duty
 

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Sounds to me like the feds are going on fishing expeditions and won't stop with just Houston,I wonder how come they haven't checked some in over 7 years,if it's required by law then aren't they guilty of dereliction of duty
Well, may be a catch-22 here. What would we rather they do? Sit in their cozy offices and collect nice wages from Joe taxpayer, or get out and work for a living? Granted it doesn't need to be in the form of harassment, but that's what happens when you stick a bee hive that's been more than happy collecting pollen and feeding off the honey. I think it's time to shave a bit off the top in this economy. Lessen the burden all around.
 

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I wonder how come they haven't checked some in over 7 years,
The answer is obvious if you read the article. It's because of a lack of manpower. That's why they have a temporary manpower boost that will last ONLY four months.

if it's required by law then aren't they guilty of dereliction of duty
How can they be guilty of anything if they didn't have the manpower to even do this in the first place? It might be dereliction IF they had the manpower to do this operation and just delayed it for years. But the article says the have a FOUR MONTH manpower boost, in other words, they have the equivalent of temps coming in to do this, and FOUR MONTHS most likely means it's only a temporary thing.
 

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The answer is obvious if you read the article. It's because of a lack of manpower. That's why they have a temporary manpower boost that will last ONLY four months.



How can they be guilty of anything if they didn't have the manpower to even do this in the first place? It might be dereliction IF they had the manpower to do this operation and just delayed it for years. But the article says the have a FOUR MONTH manpower boost, in other words, they have the equivalent of temps coming in to do this, and FOUR MONTHS most likely means it's only a temporary thing.
I'm guessing the border patrol got a manpower boost as well? What are this nation's priorities anyway? Harassing the legal citizens needs to move on down the list wouldn't you say?
 

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I'm guessing the border patrol got a manpower boost as well? What are this nation's priorities anyway? Harassing the legal citizens needs to move on down the list wouldn't you say?
You're asking me? I don't have any say in any manpower decisions whatsoever. Exactly how is the ATF doing their job constitute harassment? Aren't they SUPPOSED to be checking paperwork?

Would you rather have FFL dealers not keep any paperwork at all? This is no different than an officer asking a motorist to produce their drivers license, registration, and proof of insurance. That's paperwork the motorist is supposed to have on hand anyway.
 

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BATFE normally checks licensed dealer on a regular basis. This is nothing new. IF you want to keep your license, you have to keep your paperwork in proper form. The same laws and inspections apply in non-border states. It is just a part of normal business.
 

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Extra ATF Agents??

This is just like all the new COPS that will be flooding the streets of America in the next few months courtesy of the Guvement. They are paid for this year by the Guvment (mine and your taxes), but who pay's for them next business year?? Tax payers in the communities that cannot pay for them now......While the same agencies are doing layoffs, brownouts, and furloughs... What is wrong with this picture???
 

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Well, may be a catch-22 here. What would we rather they do? Sit in their cozy offices and collect nice wages from Joe taxpayer, or get out and work for a living? Granted it doesn't need to be in the form of harassment, but that's what happens when you stick a bee hive that's been more than happy collecting pollen and feeding off the honey. I think it's time to shave a bit off the top in this economy. Lessen the burden all around.
Is that really a question? If so the answer is ...NOT HAVE A JOB AT ALL!
 

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Glad to see it. If they end up putting some shady dealers out of business that is fine with me. The record keeping requirements are not that big a deal to comply with, and they are a condition of having the license. If they can't do it right, they shouldn't do it at all. Back in Maryland I personally knew two licensed dealers. One got his license pulled because he was too lazy to keep his paperwork straight. No sympathy from me at all.
 

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I understand that maybe some weren't receiving semi annual or annual inspections,but to have some go for 6 or 7 years without an inspection is BS,make a list and go down the list,once the list is finished being inspected then start over.
 

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I understand that maybe some weren't receiving semi annual or annual inspections,but to have some go for 6 or 7 years without an inspection is BS,make a list and go down the list,once the list is finished being inspected then start over.
Really? Whats the difference between a dealer and a private seller? Do you think all private sellers should be required to keep logs and the ATF allowed to randomly show up, enter, and inspect all said logs, firearms and anything else in your home at will?
 

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This is just like all the new COPS that will be flooding the streets of America in the next few months courtesy of the Guvement. They are paid for this year by the Guvment (mine and your taxes), but who pay's for them next business year?? Tax payers in the communities that cannot pay for them now......While the same agencies are doing layoffs, brownouts, and furloughs... What is wrong with this picture???
Those grants covers pay for 3 years, hopefully long enough for most of those cities and communities to recover. Those grants help pay for new officers which in many cases, doesn't even cover the NORMAL attrition of officers due to retirements, etc. Some of those grants help those agencies from having to layoff officers, which in turn saves money in the long run because there's less overtime to pay out. You're a Comm Engineer, so I would imagine that officer safety isn't a big issue with you since you aren't the one going into dangerous situations on a daily basis. As long as YOU have your gun, right?
 

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Really? Whats the difference between a dealer and a private seller? Do you think all private sellers should be required to keep logs and the ATF allowed to randomly show up, enter, and inspect all said logs, firearms and anything else in your home at will?
Private sellers don't need to keep records,if you are referring to people that buy and sell guns out of their homes and have a FFL that's a whole new ball game
 

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Private sellers don't need to keep records,if you are referring to people that buy and sell guns out of their homes and have a FFL that's a whole new ball game
What I'm getting at is WHY we allow it. Is the owner of the gun store not an individual just like you or I selling a gun on gunbroker or locally FTF? They're one in the same. The only difference is that we've been stupid enough to be duped by the feds.
 

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A government job isn't a job, it's a entitlement...
So.....the military is an entitlement, huh? After all, they work for the citizenry (aka the government).
 

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After all, we do want to know that the guy next to us is actually not a bg with a gun that some idiot gun dealer sold and didn't quite do the paperwork or intentially is sloppy in it so it's not obvious.
 
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