[OldVet]

Why would they do that? I may be naive, but if you are buying guns lawfully, what's the big deal. Whether its for your home defense, CC, or sport you don't have anything to hide and what can they do? Im new to this so maybe someone can enlighten me. Being a law abiding citizen, I would see no harm in letting them in to see my collection (after receiving proper credentials to know they are not the BG). Am I wrong?

It's called due process and Constitutional rights. Use then or lose them.

 

[emawildcat]

Why would they do that? I may be naive, but if you are buying guns lawfully, what's the big deal. Whether its for your home defense, CC, or sport you don't have anything to hide and what can they do? Im new to this so maybe someone can enlighten me. Being a law abiding citizen, I would see no harm in letting them in to see my collection (after receiving proper credentials to know they are not the BG). Am I wrong?

Yes, maybe more wrong than you've ever been in your life. The venerable "if you aren't doing anything wrong, you don't have anything to hide" is the favorite philosophy of despots and tyrants the world over.

 

[Hodad]

I wouldn't invite them in even if it was during a polar vortex like we had last week. I would be polite but they're not coming in unless they have a warrant.

"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."

 

[manolito]

Couple of things to remember. They had a name change and added explosives on their title. Why would they do that? Could it be that if they didn't find anything they could look at diesel fuel soap and a few other ingredients and charge explosive materials?

Just because you think there is nothing to worry about does not mean there is nothing to worry about. These people do not like to make mistakes and admitting they found nothing after getting a judge to put his signature on a warrant is bad juju.

Oh that safe it belongs to my attorney he just stores it here on the ranch so he can come target practice. We can call him if you want to look inside.

Remember no law broken to lie to local police law broken to lie to federal agents.

My word about letting anyone view your house or your belongings is Danger Will Robinson Danger.

 

[blitzburgh]

If buying x amount of guns in x period of time is what qualifies a call or visit from the "friendly, professional" agents, I shouldn't ever hear from them. I could lose some fingers and still be able to count on one hand how many guns I've bought that weren't through a private sale.

 

[tcox4freedom]

ATF would never knock, they'd just smash your door in and hand you some phony mumbo jumbo and do what they want.

^^^This^^^

But, I do have a few friends in various LEO capacities including the ATF & FBI. So, if there is a "knock" it's probably someone we know coming to drop of their kids to play with mine; or just coming for a visit.

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[Mike1956]

ATF knocks at your door and says that they noticed you have made several firearm purchases in the past week and would like to see your weapons.

What would you do and what would be your plan of action?

I would point them toward the empty boat trailer out by the barn.

 

[Yetiman]

"Those guns? No, I already sold those via the internet to some guy named Joaquín Guzmán in Sinaloa.

But if you wait till next week I am getting a bunch more and you could maybe see them before I box em up to ship out... He pays big and says he will take everything I can send him"

 

[Kasey88]

I would tell them to get a warrant..I wouldn't trust them,and would be very suspicious..There is no reason at all for them to be inside my home..

 

[Rob99VMI04]

During the DC Sniper stuff, this actually happened in some areas in NOVA. I have a Co-worker from Maryland who had just purchased an AR. It wasn't just ATF it was a joint agency effort. I wanna say DEA knocked on his door asking him if they could take his AR for ballistic testing. He asked for a warrant, they didn't have one and said they would appreciate his co-operation in the matter, he slammed the door. Never heard anything about it again.

 

[Aceoky]

"I would appreciate them following the law" but hey

He asked for a warrant, they didn't have one and said they would appreciate his co-operation in the matter,

 

[ccw9mm]

What would you do and what would be your plan of action?

Do something they deem on the instant to be unlawful and/or threatening, and they'll "press" the issue until they get what they came for. Little different than if police of any stripe comes calling.

If one has planned ahead via remaining off the radar as much as possible, by having property in various locations, and so on, one at least has a fighting chance to avoid being jumped on for what cannot be proven. Most mostly this will have to do with how willing they are to get what they came for.

My plan? Not fancy, perhaps even mostly ineffective, but planned.

 

[Hopyard]

I think the premise of this entire thread is all but silly.

Ain't gonna happen. You have a better chance of being jumped by a bunch of BGs posing as ATF then
what was described in post 1.

Yes, some bad stuff happened in NOVA/ MD during the beltway sniper incident. MCP already described his
experience and he was LE. That said, in the ordinary course of ordinary life, I can't see that premise of post 1
coming to reality.

Let's see-- they come and find weapons you lawfully purchased and owned. Duh. Time wasted.
They come and get told to come back with a warrant they can't get. Time wasted.
The bully their way in, and find nothing. Time wasted.
They bully their way in and find nothing, plant something and lodge charges: big problem for you. Bigger problem for them
if they get caught. Criminal acts galore committed.

I don't think management would be pleased.
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I'd like to know a great deal more about what happened that Smitty was phone contacted, which is a big difference from
coming to the door.

The only way I can see something even remotely resembling the premise of post 1 would be if there were supporting reasons
to suspect you are a straw purchaser. If you are, they'll be back. And if you are not, they've wasted their time.
Again, the boss won't be pleased.

 

[oneshot]

I'd probably tell them something like...

"I'm sorry... We're not available right now, but your visit is very important to us. Please stay on the porch and the door will be answered by the next available family member."

^^^I've got a little Agnes who covers for me^^^^^^^

It goes something like this from Despicable Me two;

New 'Despicable Me 2' clip features Gru and Agnes | The Family Room | EW.com

 

[LimaCharlie]

Two LEOs knocked on my door and asked to see my guns, so I let them in and showed them my collection and let them handle them. One was a female LEO friend who wanted to impress her LEO boyfriend with my gun collection.

 

[PAcanis]

I have no problem letting them see what they ask for, unless I've sold it already of course. Holding an FFL 03 I think they have the right to come in, but I'd ask them to wait on the porch and go get the weapon they ask for if I still have it, or tell them where I might have traded it in at, or produce my bound book for anything C&R. No sense getting my three dogs all fired up.
It would be much better for them if they called first, as I am self-employed and can't always drop what I'm doing, but if they work with me I'll work with them. From a recent thread and from what I was told at a couple local FFL's, I'm already on a watch list for transferring two handguns at the same time. In most cases I'm sure they just want to make sure I'm not supplying guns to criminals or running an unlicensed gun shop. I've got nothing to hide (famous last words).

 

[shadowwalker]

Some years back DEA agents showed up at a house and tried to gain entry people in the house called Sheriff told them what was happening they arrived and checked out DEA they had wrong address and had not checked in with local LEOs and warrant was not valid.

 

[OldVet]

I would point them toward the empty boat trailer out by the barn.

And they say, "Again? That's the tenth one this week!"

 

[OD*]

Politely ask if they brought the alcohol and tobacco, cause you already have firearms.

 

[NONAME762]

Like they did at Waco and Ruby Ridge. We saw how that worked out.

Not so well for the people that didn't comply.

IIRC According to Janet Bar Be Que Reno the ATF was alleging David Koresh was sexually abusing some of the children on their church property. I was not aware child abuse of this kind was a federal matter or under the jurisdiction of F TROOP, ATF. So with this type of logic one would have to surmise the ATF protected the children from alleged (NEVER PROVEN) child abuse by BURNING THEM TO DEATH.

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