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I could upgrade to a 300 gallon gas container.
We keep a 500 gallon gas tank for the farm. I rarely keep it full because we don't use enough gas before it gets old. There is also the problem with winter and summer blends of both gas and diesel. The wrong blend in the wrong season will not run as efficiently. While there are additives that will extend the storage life, it does not store indefinitely.

When the power was out for 2 1/2 days I went through 46 gallons running two generators.

My Honda 4-wheeler averages 42mpg just riding. If I start really working it, that can drop below 30mpg quickly. Pulling the mower I can mow our 10 acres on about 1.5 gallons.
I've used the Polaris Ranger to pull the mower, but not often because it will burn through 5+ gallons covering the same area as the 4-wheeler.

On the idea of an EMP event?
There will be bigger problems than whether my ATV's still run, although I've read that equipment stored in aluminum or steel buildings have a better chance of surviving. Not sure how true that is, but both of my shops have steel roof and siding.
If it ever happens I'll let you know. Or not... >;~}
 

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OV's probably out in the garage paintin' up his toll booth signs right now. One way-2 beers. Round trip same day-3 beers.
 

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We keep a 500 gallon gas tank for the farm. I rarely keep it full because we don't use enough gas before it gets old. There is also the problem with winter and summer blends of both gas and diesel. The wrong blend in the wrong season will not run as efficiently. While there are additives that will extend the storage life, it does not store indefinitely.

When the power was out for 2 1/2 days I went through 46 gallons running two generators.

My Honda 4-wheeler averages 42mpg just riding. If I start really working it, that can drop below 30mpg quickly. Pulling the mower I can mow our 10 acres on about 1.5 gallons.
I've used the Polaris Ranger to pull the mower, but not often because it will burn through 5+ gallons covering the same area as the 4-wheeler.
Looks like you've got it made. If you have a farming background then not only do you have gas stored up and generators but you've also got crops and livestock. Also, if you've got an equestrian background as is common if you live on a farm that can be very useful too.

On the idea of an EMP event?
There will be bigger problems than whether my ATV's still run, although I've read that equipment stored in aluminum or steel buildings have a better chance of surviving. Not sure how true that is, but both of my shops have steel roof and siding.
If it ever happens I'll let you know. Or not... >;~}
Something to do with faraday cages, apparently an aluminum or steel building would function like such a cage although I do not have in depth detailed knowledge on that, just a very basic understanding.
 

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FYI - An old friend I know has been working pretty high up in the gasoline industry for well over 20 years. During a conversation with him he mentioned to me that before the gas is shipped out it is treated with additives depending on what the client wants in their gas. One thing though that is added to ALL gas is an additive that will artificially accelerate degrading the gas so it will be impossible for anyone getting it through normal channels to store gas for any extended period of time. Basically the government does not want citizens storing gas for future use.
 

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Store your ATV in a windowless steel shed with steel doors, all of which is well grounded.

I don't know what you're going to do for gasoline...
 

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Store your ATV in a windowless steel shed with steel doors, all of which is well grounded.

I don't know what you're going to do for gasoline...
I had a dirt bike that we ran on straight alcohol. Bike would really move, but it was hard on the valves. Alcohol burns dry and the valves would burn and stick after a couple of weekends riding the trails.
 

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The Military has gone to all diesel, for several reasons. one being , It can be stored for many years without problems. The trick would be a diesel ATV. You will probably have to build your own, but it might be worth it! DR
 

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The Military has gone to all diesel, for several reasons. one being , It can be stored for many years without problems. The trick would be a diesel ATV. You will probably have to build your own, but it might be worth it! DR
Does diesel have the additive mentioned in post #46?
 

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Does diesel have the additive mentioned in post #46?
No, The fuel for my backup generators may be 15 years old or more. every couple of years a company comes and filters out any water that has condensed in the tank But you could do the same for yourself by draining off a couple gallons from the very bottom. [water sinks to the bottom.] If your tank is above ground it needs to be insulated to keep the condensation down. Keeping the tank full helps also. Good luck, DR
 

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No, The fuel for my backup generators may be 15 years old or more. every couple of years a company comes and filters out any water that has condensed in the tank But you could do the same for yourself by draining off a couple gallons from the very bottom. [water sinks to the bottom.] If your tank is above ground it needs to be insulated to keep the condensation down. Keeping the tank full helps also. Good luck, DR
Make sure you have pure diesel and not Bio-diesel. The Bio-diesel doesn't store as well long term. It also causes more problems in cold weather.

Most #1 Fuel Oil doesn't have any Biomass added, but check to make sure. I got caught this winter with some #1 that had 5% biomass added. Gelled up just like #2 diesel and left me setting on the road.
the notice was a 2" square sticker the same color as the fuel pump (dark green) with black lettering.
 

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Here's one for you. Arctic Cat 700 super duty. Don't know if it's still in production.

Review from 2015

Specs:
2015 Diesel 700 Super Duty
Ages 16+
AVAILABLE COLORS
Green
Engine Specifications
Engine Displacement,
Engine Type
686 I-Twin, SOHC, 4 Stroke, 2-valve
Cooling Liquid with Fan
Bore x Stroke 75x77.6 mm
Alternator Capacity 40 amps
Fuel Capacity 5.3 gal.
Suspension Specifications
Front Travel Double A-Arm / 10 in.
Rear Suspension Double A-Arm / 10 in.
Ground Clearance 11 in.
Front Tire Duro Kaden / 25x8-12
Rear Tire / Size Duro Kaden / 25x10-12
Wheels Powder-Coated Steel
Powertrain Specifications
Power Steering NA
Transmission Automatic CVT with Hi/Lo Range,
Neutral & Reverse
Drive System 2/4 WD + Electric Front Differential
Lock
Brakes Hydraulic Disc
Dimensions Specifications
Overall Size LxWxH 93x47.5x48 in.
Wheelbase 58 in.
Dry Weight 844 lbs.
Front / Rear Rack
Capacity
100 / 200 lbs.
Towing Capacity 1050 lbs.
Hitch Type Rear 2 in. Receiver
Instrumentation Specifications
Instrumentation Digital
Lighting Dual Halogen Headlights / Single
Rear Taillight
Available Colors Green
Additional Features
3000-lb. Winch, Front and Rear SpeedRacks, Runs on 6 Types of Fuel
 

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I had a dirt bike that we ran on straight alcohol. Bike would really move, but it was hard on the valves. Alcohol burns dry and the valves would burn and stick after a couple of weekends riding the trails.
I run on straight alcohol also, and a couple weekends on that stuff will burm me out too.
 

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Biomass and ethanol. Two huge scams hoisted on us by politicians. :mad:
My truck is an E-85 model, and I've run it on both regular and E-85. The E-85 costs less but get poorer mileage. Regular costs more but gets better mileage. I compared both on a 600-mile each-way trip and found the difference to be a wash. The cost per mile was 2-3 cents different, hardly a reason to seek out the harder-to-find E-85.
 
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Biomass and ethanol. Two huge scams hoisted on us by politicians. :mad:
I'm not against either one, but there needs to be some common sense in how and where they are used.

One of the biggest problems with ethanol is the fact that most synthetic products desolve in it. The seals and O-rings in fuel systems swell and become soft causing premature failures.
Oh, as a solvent, if your fuel system isn't clean? It will be after a few tanks of ethanol. All the loose particles will be in the fuel filter. Hopefully the filter catches it before it burns up the fuel pump or plugs the carb/injectors.

Bio-diesel has been around at least since WWII and has a good track record of success.
It is not as efficient as fossil fuels, but can be manufactured from many oil seeds and is not toxic in it's natural state.
That said, in cold climates it is really only viable during the summer months unless kept warm all the time.
Jello doesn't flow.
 
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