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.45 Shield
January 20,2017
Weather 35*, Pressure 30inHg, Humidity 83%
FBI clearballistics 16x6x6 block with T bone 6x6x20" resulting in 22" in length
Block stored in 68* and utilized in 2 minutes of being outside
Block had one layer of each of medium weight nylon filled with polyester winter coat, followed by 200gr polartec fleece and 5.3oz Tshirt
This is typical winter attire here in NY. I used no denim as no one seems to be wearing denim around their chest
Results
Underwood 230+P XTP 20.5" penetration, .593" expansion
Underwood 185+P XTP 22" penetration, .55" expansion
Underwood 230+P bonded JHP 14" penetration, .677 expansion
Underwood 185+P bonded JHP 13.5" penetration, .690 expansion
Underwood Xtreme defense 120gr 17" penetration not designed to expand.
This Xtreme defense bullet went to 17" penetration in bare, 4 layers of denim and this test. Very consistent
Winchester Ranger 230+P over 22" and no expansion
Federal HST 230+P was the BIG surprise for me yet again. In bare gel it only went to 11 3/4" penetration and .880 expansion
In 4 layers of denim it passed through 20" of gel 3 out of 4 times. The 4th time in 4 layers it penetrated to 11 1/2" and .820 expansion.
Today the HST 230+p gr was STELLAR. Penetrated to 16" 3 out of 3 times and expanded to .859 on the widest one and .771 on the lowest expanded bullet.
So I did a 2 layer Hanes white cotton t-shirt test and the Federal 230gr HST+P penetrated to 13" and expanded to .875 on one round and penetrated to 13" and .818" on the other round
The standard pressure HST 230 did not do well at all in regards to penetration.
Through winter layers it penetrated 11-12" but expansion was incredible .912!!!
Through the two layer cotton t-shirt was 10 1/2'-11" penetration with .922 expansion!!!
Corbon DPX 185+P is by far the most consistent JHP so far out of the Shield. Penetrated to 14 1/2 to 15 1/2" regardless of bare, 4 layers of denim and this winter wear test. Expansion was between .750 and .780.
Looks like I will use Federal HST 230+P in the fall and winter time and undecided for the spring and summer. Either the Underwood Xtreme defense or the Corbon DPX 185+P
Top is HST 230+P, middle is Corbon DPX and bottom is HST 230 standard pressure
 

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The standard pressure HST 230 did not do well at all in regards to penetration.
Through winter layers it penetrated 11-12" but expansion was incredible .912!!!
Through the two layer cotton t-shirt was 10 1/2'-11" penetration with .922 expansion!!!


I'll take those results all day long in a BG. It did what it was meant to do, punch deep while expanding. If I were to be shot standing sideways to the shooter, in the upper arm, 10.5" of penetration would have that bullets resting dead center on my sternum. Get the tape measure out and check out how far 10.5-11" is from your outer upper arm toward center of your core is.

I'm not a little guy, but I'm not a gorilla either. However, 10.5-11" is plenty of penetration and the expansion was quite impressive
 

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This is what a good bullet looks like after about 12 inches of penetrating muscle, cartilage, and bone.
Same bullet, different angles.
 

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HST is always a top performer, no matter the caliber. I won't willingly carry lead free anything.

Wait, 35 and humid? Sounds more like Mother's Day than "winter ". :smile:
 

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There are old War Stories about the .45 ACP hardball not penetrating the Chinese quilted uniforms..
during the winter of the Korean War.

And how guys traded with Commonwealth troops for their Hi-powers or other 9mms.
 
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HST is always a top performer, no matter the caliber. I won't willingly carry lead free anything.

Wait, 35 and humid? Sounds more like Mother's Day than "winter ". :smile:
The HST 124 standard pressure was also stellar out of my Glock 43. 18 1/2" penetration and .575-.60 expansion 5 out of 5 times. The 147 HST did not perform well at all. Both standard and +P with the 4 layers of denim 3 out of 5 did not expand at all. They passed through 22" of gel. The ones that did expand did so nicely at 11 3/4". That is when I decided that 4 layers of denim doesn't make all that much sense
 

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.45 Shield
January 20,2017
Weather 35*, Pressure 30inHg, Humidity 83%
FBI clearballistics 16x6x6 block with T bone 6x6x20" resulting in 22" in length
Block stored in 68* and utilized in 2 minutes of being outside
Block had one layer of each of medium weight nylon filled with polyester winter coat, followed by 200gr polartec fleece and 5.3oz Tshirt
This is typical winter attire here in NY. I used no denim as no one seems to be wearing denim around their chest
Results
Underwood 230+P XTP 20.5" penetration, .593" expansion
Underwood 185+P XTP 22" penetration, .55" expansion
Underwood 230+P bonded JHP 14" penetration, .677 expansion
Underwood 185+P bonded JHP 13.5" penetration, .690 expansion
Underwood Xtreme defense 120gr 17" penetration not designed to expand.
This Xtreme defense bullet went to 17" penetration in bare, 4 layers of denim and this test. Very consistent
Winchester Ranger 230+P over 22" and no expansion
Federal HST 230+P was the BIG surprise for me yet again. In bare gel it only went to 11 3/4" penetration and .880 expansion
In 4 layers of denim it passed through 20" of gel 3 out of 4 times. The 4th time in 4 layers it penetrated to 11 1/2" and .820 expansion.
Today the HST 230+p gr was STELLAR. Penetrated to 16" 3 out of 3 times and expanded to .859 on the widest one and .771 on the lowest expanded bullet.
So I did a 2 layer Hanes white cotton t-shirt test and the Federal 230gr HST+P penetrated to 13" and expanded to .875 on one round and penetrated to 13" and .818" on the other round
The standard pressure HST 230 did not do well at all in regards to penetration.
Through winter layers it penetrated 11-12" but expansion was incredible .912!!!
Through the two layer cotton t-shirt was 10 1/2'-11" penetration with .922 expansion!!!
Corbon DPX 185+P is by far the most consistent JHP so far out of the Shield. Penetrated to 14 1/2 to 15 1/2" regardless of bare, 4 layers of denim and this winter wear test. Expansion was between .750 and .780.
Looks like I will use Federal HST 230+P in the fall and winter time and undecided for the spring and summer. Either the Underwood Xtreme defense or the Corbon DPX 185+P
Top is HST 230+P, middle is Corbon DPX and bottom is HST 230 standard pressure
I carry Gold Dot 230 in the 6 round mag and the 230grain HST +p in 2 of the 7 rounders. On other tests the Gold Dot penetrated deeper, but didn't expand like the HST. Now I am thinking about switching to the HST+P loaded in the flush mag that I usually carry. I just have a lot more Gold Dot on hand. Thanks for posting results. I am really liking my shield 45.
 

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Ever thought of throwing your tests against the .40S&W out of the M&P 40c and/or the Glock 23?
 
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I carry Gold Dot 230 in the 6 round mag and the 230grain HST +p in 2 of the 7 rounders. On other tests the Gold Dot penetrated deeper, but didn't expand like the HST. Now I am thinking about switching to the HST+P loaded in the flush mag that I usually carry. I just have a lot more Gold Dot on hand. Thanks for posting results. I am really liking my shield 45.
Stick with your GD's, you do your part, they'll do theirs. I've got lots of 230 GD s/v I use in 45's like the commanders and govs or at one time the g30's with the shorter barrels like the shield. Never felt under gunned with a quality loading from several makers. Some people just worry about it too damned much. Nice to have the testing results, but the difference in his finding is nothing to be changing quality load outs you already use,
 

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Testing reduces guessing, :35: thanks for sharing.

I am putting a capital T at the beginning of that sentence, it is repeatedly automatically changed to lowercase.
 

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I carry Gold Dot 230 in the 6 round mag and the 230grain HST +p in 2 of the 7 rounders. On other tests the Gold Dot penetrated deeper, but didn't expand like the HST. Now I am thinking about switching to the HST+P loaded in the flush mag that I usually carry. I just have a lot more Gold Dot on hand. Thanks for posting results. I am really liking my shield 45.
The other tests use 4 layers of Denim. I did that test as well but started to think about when does anyone have that type of attire on their chest?? Hence why I tried the winter wear.
 

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.45 Shield
January 20,2017
Weather 35*, Pressure 30inHg, Humidity 83%
FBI clearballistics 16x6x6 block with T bone 6x6x20" resulting in 22" in length
Block stored in 68* and utilized in 2 minutes of being outside
Block had one layer of each of medium weight nylon filled with polyester winter coat, followed by 200gr polartec fleece and 5.3oz Tshirt
This is typical winter attire here in NY. I used no denim as no one seems to be wearing denim around their chest
Results
Underwood 230+P XTP 20.5" penetration, .593" expansion
Underwood 185+P XTP 22" penetration, .55" expansion
Underwood 230+P bonded JHP 14" penetration, .677 expansion
Underwood 185+P bonded JHP 13.5" penetration, .690 expansion
Underwood Xtreme defense 120gr 17" penetration not designed to expand.
This Xtreme defense bullet went to 17" penetration in bare, 4 layers of denim and this test. Very consistent
Winchester Ranger 230+P over 22" and no expansion
Federal HST 230+P was the BIG surprise for me yet again. In bare gel it only went to 11 3/4" penetration and .880 expansion
In 4 layers of denim it passed through 20" of gel 3 out of 4 times. The 4th time in 4 layers it penetrated to 11 1/2" and .820 expansion.
Today the HST 230+p gr was STELLAR. Penetrated to 16" 3 out of 3 times and expanded to .859 on the widest one and .771 on the lowest expanded bullet.
So I did a 2 layer Hanes white cotton t-shirt test and the Federal 230gr HST+P penetrated to 13" and expanded to .875 on one round and penetrated to 13" and .818" on the other round
The standard pressure HST 230 did not do well at all in regards to penetration.
Through winter layers it penetrated 11-12" but expansion was incredible .912!!!
Through the two layer cotton t-shirt was 10 1/2'-11" penetration with .922 expansion!!!
Corbon DPX 185+P is by far the most consistent JHP so far out of the Shield. Penetrated to 14 1/2 to 15 1/2" regardless of bare, 4 layers of denim and this winter wear test. Expansion was between .750 and .780.
Looks like I will use Federal HST 230+P in the fall and winter time and undecided for the spring and summer. Either the Underwood Xtreme defense or the Corbon DPX 185+P
Top is HST 230+P, middle is Corbon DPX and bottom is HST 230 standard pressure
Try the same test through a couple of layers of 16 ga. sheet steel.

I think you'll find the 185 grain Corbon DPX will be the standout.

In tests out of full size guns it was the only one to penetrate both layers of steel.

Actually, DPX was the only bullet to penetrate both layers of steel in 9mm, .40, or .45 of all tested ammo.
 

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The other tests use 4 layers of Denim. I did that test as well but started to think about when does anyone have that type of attire on their chest?? Hence why I tried the winter wear.
I would be interested to see how speer 230 grain GD performs under your testing protocol.I think underwood may use GD bullets in their JHP, but different velocities can change the results. TNOUTDOORS9 did a test using speer GD and may have been underwood GD+p and the speer expanded while the faster round didn't.
 

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I will soon hoepfully. I just did 9mm. It is pretty interesting stuff. In .45 the barrel length matters. In 9mm not so much.
Great. Then you will have some good data on all three of the major semi-auto calibers. My preferred loads for the .40S&W in my carry G23's and my M&P 40c are the Federal 165gr HST and the Gold Dot 165gr JHP "hot" load (#53970).
 

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I would be interested to see how speer 230 grain GD performs under your testing protocol.I think underwood may use GD bullets in their JHP, but different velocities can change the results. TNOUTDOORS9 did a test using speer GD and may have been underwood GD+p and the speer expanded while the faster round didn't.
I can test the 230 Speer gold dot with winter wear. I did with bare gel and only penetrated 13" and expanded .625" with the .45 Shield
 

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Great. Then you will have some good data on all three of the major semi-auto calibers. My preferred loads for the .40S&W in my carry G23's and my M&P 40c are the Federal 165gr HST and the Gold Dot 165gr JHP "hot" load (#53970).
I gave HST 165gr in my nightstand G23. I will see what .40 rounds I have
 

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Here is 9mm test
Glock 43
Weather 42*, Humidity 86%, Pressure 29.8inHg
Winter wear with one layer of medium weight nylon outer polyester fill, one layer of polartec 200gr and one layer of T-shirt Hanes cotton.
Federal HST 124gr standard penetrated to 15", expansion .628", second round 18 1/2" penetration and .614 expansion
Federal HST 147gr standard pressure penetrated to 16" expanded .614", second round penetrated to 18 1/2" and expanded .595"
Underwood Xtreme defense 90gr+P penetrated to 17 1/2" no expansion
These Xtreme defense rounds in .45 and 9mm are extremely consistent as all of them penetrate to 17-17 1/2"
So I took out my 380 Underwood 90gr Xtreme Penetrator and out of my LCP II it penetrated 17 1/2"!
Corbon DPX 115 +P penetrated 16" with beautiful expansion of .685". Both .45 DPX 185+P and 115+P were very consistent in all media's
Critical defense penetrated to 11 1/2" and expanded to .485"
I will continue to carry the HST standard pressure as it has been the only HST in 9mm to continuously expand and penetrate. It does seem that you will be well protected in virtually any of these rounds.
 

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Try the same test through a couple of layers of 16 ga. sheet steel.

I think you'll find the 185 grain Corbon DPX will be the standout.

In tests out of full size guns it was the only one to penetrate both layers of steel.

Actually, DPX was the only bullet to penetrate both layers of steel in 9mm, .40, or .45 of all tested ammo.
DPX has been GREAT and consistent so far
At this point I am thinking I will carry that in spring and summer. I will do more tests wth them
 

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I like my Gold Dots 124gr+ps, got plenty on hand. OP great testing, keep up the good work ; )
H/D
 
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