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I am interested in buying a new pump shotgun for home defense and I'm debating in between the Benelli Nova Pump Tactical and the Mossberg 590A1 Special Purpose. I really like the Benelli's aesthetics, ergonomics, the magazine cut-off on the forearm and the dual action bars and rotary head locking lugs which makes it handle all kinds of ammo (light loads to 3 1/2" Magnum loads). Nonetheless, the Mossberg 590A1 Special Purpose holds 9 rounds (the Benelli only holds 4+1 rounds), it is used by the U.S. Military since it passed its strict Mil-Spec 3443 standards, it has more availability of accessories, I prefer the placement of the safety and it is one of the most sold shotguns in the U.S. (Americans now their stuff when it comes to shotguns). I would appreciate all of your input to make an informed decision.

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Both good guns but the Benelli is head and shoulders above the 590A1. Read somewhere that an individual had quite a bit of trouble with the Mossy. I use a Mossberg 88 pump.
 

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Both good guns but the Benelli is head and shoulders above the 590A1. Read somewhere that an individual had quite a bit of trouble with the Mossy. I use a Mossberg 88 pump.
Thanks for your response! Why is the Benelli head and shoulders above the 590A1? The Benelli Nova Pump Tactical apparently didn't pass the Mil-Spec 3443 U.S. Military standards and torture tests that the Mossberg did and therefore it is currently being used by unformed men and women. Is there a tube extension to increase mag capacity for the Nova? How easy is it to get accessories for Benelli shotguns (sights, tactical light mounts, recoil pads, etc.)?
 

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Ford = Mossy
Chevy = Remington
Dodge/Chrysler = Winchester/FNH
Buick = Browning
BMW = Benelli

Take your pic...And no matter what every make has some body somewhere on the internets and/or at a gun shop who swears that A) Their make of choice is the bees knees or B) Their make of choice was once owned by this guy whos brother cousins mothers fathers uncle is a guide/cop/instructor who had nothing but trouble with said gun.

Seriously.

Select the one that feels best in hand as shouldered AND is to your own brain most intuitive toward operating the fire controls including the safety.
After that it's generally a matter of acquisition price as everything can be increased in capacity by the aftermarket.

- Janq much prefers Mossy simply due to the very intuitive safety, which Benelli does not have
 

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Ford = Mossy
Chevy = Remington
Dodge/Chrysler = Winchester/FNH
Buick = Browning
BMW = Benelli

Take your pic...And no matter what every make has some body somewhere on the internets and/or at a gun shop who swears that A) Their make of choice is the bees knees or B) Their make of choice was once owned by this guy whos brother cousins mothers fathers uncle is a guide/cop/instructor who had nothing but trouble with said gun.

Seriously.

Select the one that feels best in hand as shouldered AND is to your own brain most intuitive toward operating the fire controls including the safety.
After that it's generally a matter of acquisition price as everything can be increased in capacity by the aftermarket.

- Janq much prefers Mossy simply due to the very intuitive safety, which Benelli does not have
Great feedback...thanks a lot! I really like the cool aesthetics of the Benelli Nova but I feel that if the Mossberg 590 is currently used by the U.S. Military and it passed their strict standards and testing, well that says a lot to me. The U.S. Military knows its stuff when it comes to select their weapons (except IMHO, the selection of the Beretta M9 over the 1911 pistol) so that is a big plus for me.

Therefore, I will go to the gun shop soon and shoulder both shotguns, play with the controls and see what feels best. I'm also thinking of just getting both shotguns but I don't think I can afford it right now so perhaps just get one and a few months later the other.
 

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Some one once said that if an item is mechanical in nature, its possible for it to have a failure. I'm sure that someone, somewhere may have had a problem with a 590A1 but that's far from the norm. Recall that the 590 is the only pump-action shotgun ever to pass all stringent U. S. Military Mil-Spec 3443 standards. They're currently in use by the US Army & Navy as far as I know.

I also prefer the 590 due to the safety on the top of the receiver. Mine has rifle sights -- another critical feature that swayed me toward the 590. Although I must admit that the magazine holds eight 2.75" rounds, not nine.
 

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I have a friend who has a regular 590 and loves it.I cant really recommend either because i have only shot pumps,but never owned one.I do have a Benelli M2,and i can recommend that...
 

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You might want to compare the regular 590 with the A1. The A1 passed said test for a couple of reasons that are over-kill for most of us: metal trigger guard (polymer is pretty darn tough and won't dent) and a heavy barrel. For me the heavy barrel is a negative and not a positive. I most likely won't be lying down suppressive fire or engaging in any high rate of fire for extended zombie killings. The lighter barrel is easier to handle and carry. That's just my 2-cents as I opted for an 870.
I don't think you'll go wrong with any of those choices though.
 

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I can support Skunkworks position...As I own a 590A1 Compact and the heavy barrel is HEAVY.
Both in profile being thick as hell (Remington 870 barrels are paper thin in comparison) and all that steel weighs as mass.

My barrel is just 14" long and it weighs nearly the same (!) as an 870 Super Magnum turkey guns 20" barrel (I weighed both independently).
As Skukworks noted almost nobody in the civilian world would fine themself real world needing to fire enough rounds consecutively to heat up the A1s barrel so much that it would be too hot to hold.
I experienced this yesterday running 35 shells of slug through my gun. I use same hold as I would with a carbine with my fingers touching and wrapping around the barrel at a forward position. The brrel on my gun got hot enough that I was like wow this is hot. But it was not so hot that I could not continue to hold it. Again that was after 35 shells in just over an hours time.
The A1 IMHO is overkill for what most civilians would ever need. In fact again IMHO the 500 (directly comparable to the Remy 870) , from which the 590 is based, is more than enough gun for most average owners especially HD fixated persons.

A heavy barreled 590A1 in 20" length is overall a very heavy tool. Sledge hammer.
The 18" version slightly less so.
The regular 590 as having a light/normal profile barrel same as the 500 and directly akin to the Remy 870 and all Benelli across the board (Neither makes a 'Heavy' profile barrel).

Functionally the 500/590/590A1 are exactly same.
The only difference are that the 590 barrel is attached to the receiver differently than the 500, but not as to be more securely, allowing for easier magazine clearing and/or maintenance.
The 590A1 is overkill.
The Remington 870 has alos been purchased COTS by various agencies military and para-military (FBI, Treasury, BoP, Secret Service, etc.) and has an exemplaray service record and had also been used by troopers through Vietnam prior to the Mossberg acquisition.
Benelli has been depended on by the USCG as well as the Marines for some time now (IIRC a decade) and few among those groups has anything untoward to say about it's performance.
Winchester/FN has a long history among hunters, sporting owners as well as competitors and police end users...Their rep stands on it's own.

Honestly any one of these will work excellent for Joe Average-Homeowner.
Shoulder the gun, handle it's fire controls and whichever one _feels_ most best and most natural as well as is individual purse straps compatible...Then well carry that one home and run it with as much training ammo as you can afford.

- Janq
 

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I have owned several commercial Mossberg pumps , they are tough as nails- the Mil Spec version can only be better. :wink:
 

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I can support Skunkworks position...As I own a 590A1 Compact and the heavy barrel is HEAVY.
Both in profile being thick as hell (Remington 870 barrels are paper thin in comparison) and all that steel weighs as mass.

My barrel is just 14" long and it weighs nearly the same (!) as an 870 Super Magnum turkey guns 20" barrel (I weighed both independently).
As Skukworks noted almost nobody in the civilian world would fine themself real world needing to fire enough rounds consecutively to heat up the A1s barrel so much that it would be too hot to hold.
I experienced this yesterday running 35 shells of slug through my gun. I use same hold as I would with a carbine with my fingers touching and wrapping around the barrel at a forward position. The brrel on my gun got hot enough that I was like wow this is hot. But it was not so hot that I could not continue to hold it. Again that was after 35 shells in just over an hours time.
The A1 IMHO is overkill for what most civilians would ever need. In fact again IMHO the 500 (directly comparable to the Remy 870) , from which the 590 is based, is more than enough gun for most average owners especially HD fixated persons.

A heavy barreled 590A1 in 20" length is overall a very heavy tool. Sledge hammer.
The 18" version slightly less so.
The regular 590 as having a light/normal profile barrel same as the 500 and directly akin to the Remy 870 and all Benelli across the board (Neither makes a 'Heavy' profile barrel).

Functionally the 500/590/590A1 are exactly same.
The only difference are that the 590 barrel is attached to the receiver differently than the 500, but not as to be more securely, allowing for easier magazine clearing and/or maintenance.
The 590A1 is overkill.
The Remington 870 has alos been purchased COTS by various agencies military and para-military (FBI, Treasury, BoP, Secret Service, etc.) and has an exemplaray service record and had also been used by troopers through Vietnam prior to the Mossberg acquisition.
Benelli has been depended on by the USCG as well as the Marines for some time now (IIRC a decade) and few among those groups has anything untoward to say about it's performance.
Winchester/FN has a long history among hunters, sporting owners as well as competitors and police end users...Their rep stands on it's own.

Honestly any one of these will work excellent for Joe Average-Homeowner.
Shoulder the gun, handle it's fire controls and whichever one _feels_ most best and most natural as well as is individual purse straps compatible...Then well carry that one home and run it with as much training ammo as you can afford.

- Janq
Thanks for the great feedback! I have held the Mossberg 590A1 with an 18.5" and 20.0" barrel and yes, they are both heavy. Nonetheless, I am tall and well built so I have no problem holding the shotgun and since I won't be holding it for long periods of time (unless SHTF), I have no problem with a heavy barrel and the sturdy construction is a plus. I still have to shoulder the Benelli Nova Pump Tactical to compare and play with the controls but I think I'm dead on set with the Mossberg for being the choice of the military.
 

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I just did a lot of looking at shotguns myself recently and got to shoot both these guns you're considering. The Benelli shot better hands down!! Smoother action, better bolt for ejection and pointed a heck of alot better. I really did not care for the Mossy. It felt cheap, no offense Mossy owners!

To be honest with you I did not go for the Benelli though, I went with a 870 Police model. I will add 2 things that pushed me away from the Benelli. First was indeed the lack of goodies for customizing, but the big kicker is that when the slide is all the way back, it completely covers the load port. Let me eloborate, my brother-in-law has one of these for duck hunting and he swears it's the best shotgun he has ever taken out in the field, but it has jammed on him twice now, more than likely from him not cycling it firmly enough. But both times it did this it jammed with the slide all the way back with the gun locked up and his day of hunting was over. He literally had to tear the live shell apart with needle nose pliers to get the weapon freed up.

Now I've never worked much on shotguns and have never experienced this before myself, but he's a huge shotgunner and he couldn't disassemble the weapon with the way it was jammed. After hearing this and thinking if it did this in a SHTF scenerio,........game over.

Hope my description wasn't too confusing.
 

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Both products are top notch. Do what Janq said and pick the one that fits you best.
 

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Ok, so I've decided that I want a Mossberg 590A1 but I still have some questions and I would appreciate your feedback in order to make my final decision.

- Should I get the Mossberg 590A1 Compact with an 18.5" barrel or the Mossberg 590A1 Special Purpose with a 20" barrel? The shorter barrel I would think makes the shotgun easier to maneuver inside the house in case of a home invasion and makes it lighter but the larger barrel holds more ammo (9 in the 20" vs. 6 in the 18.5"). What do you guys think? I'm tall, well built and have strong arms so I don't have a problem with the weight of the shotgun but I want to get whatever is more practical for home defense.

- Should I get a pistol grip stock for recoil reduction or should I just get a stock for recoil reduction without a pistol grip? I just think that with the pistol grip I would have to adjust my grip to use the safety, but the pistol grip can help with recoil reduction. What do you think?

- I would like to install a Surefire 323LMG 100 lumen LED Forend Tube with a 3 switch configuration (constant on, momentary on and off). Anyone here owns one of these? Does it make the front of the shotgun too heavy?

- I'm also thinking of installing a side saddle for extra ammo. Which brands, models and material construction are best? Is it worth it to install also a Blackhawk Shotgun Shell Sling (holds 15 rounds) and will this work with the Surefire Forend?

Any other accessories that are worth considering or that you guys wish to recommend are welcome. I'm looking to buy and customize a "kick a$$ shotgun" for home defense purposes and the occasional target practice to work on my Zombie killing skills.
 

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I'll throw my two cents in. The military does Have 590A1 in our inventory, I have also seen Remington 870's, Mosssber 500's, and Benelli 1014s. But for grunts shotguns are a rarity, and generally only get taken out for raids and things like that, so we can blow locks and hinges.

As far as barrel length, I prefer the 18.5 inch barrels, as silly as it sounds it does make a difference indoors. If you need more than 6+1 of 12 gauge, you probably need a rifle anyways. (I have a Mossberg 500 with 7+1 capacity and a 20" barrel, and a Remington 870 with 6+1 and 18.5" for reference). I'm a pretty decently built guy, but I want lighter weapons when practical. It's more than just holding the weapon, is the ability to move it and utilize it properly. So I'd say go with the shorter barrel.

Especially on Mossbergs I really prefer the normal stock, for the reason of manipulating the safety. I bought an aftermarket stock for my 500 that was a full length stock with pistol grip, and changed it back because operating the safety with it was a pain. With 2 3/4" shells, I don't think there is really a need for a recoil reducing stock. Especially with a pump you can use the recoil to help operate the action, and it is easy to control with a proper hold.

I don't know about the forend, haven't used that one. But a WML is a great addition to a HD shotgun, there are many options for how to mount them.

I actually usually just use the elastic bands that go around the buttstock for carrying extra shells on the weapon, with either a belt of extra shells, or a sling that holds extra shells. Remember that everything on the weapon adds extra weight. If I add extra weight to an HD shotgun, my preference is for it to be near the rear of the weapon.

Other than a light, sling, and cuff for shells, I don't think there are any other accessories that a HD shotgun needs. In fact, more than that usually starts to detract from its effectiveness.
 

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I'll throw my two cents in. The military does Have 590A1 in our inventory, I have also seen Remington 870's, Mosssber 500's, and Benelli 1014s. But for grunts shotguns are a rarity, and generally only get taken out for raids and things like that, so we can blow locks and hinges.

As far as barrel length, I prefer the 18.5 inch barrels, as silly as it sounds it does make a difference indoors. If you need more than 6+1 of 12 gauge, you probably need a rifle anyways. (I have a Mossberg 500 with 7+1 capacity and a 20" barrel, and a Remington 870 with 6+1 and 18.5" for reference). I'm a pretty decently built guy, but I want lighter weapons when practical. It's more than just holding the weapon, is the ability to move it and utilize it properly. So I'd say go with the shorter barrel.

Especially on Mossbergs I really prefer the normal stock, for the reason of manipulating the safety. I bought an aftermarket stock for my 500 that was a full length stock with pistol grip, and changed it back because operating the safety with it was a pain. With 2 3/4" shells, I don't think there is really a need for a recoil reducing stock. Especially with a pump you can use the recoil to help operate the action, and it is easy to control with a proper hold.

I don't know about the forend, haven't used that one. But a WML is a great addition to a HD shotgun, there are many options for how to mount them.

I actually usually just use the elastic bands that go around the buttstock for carrying extra shells on the weapon, with either a belt of extra shells, or a sling that holds extra shells. Remember that everything on the weapon adds extra weight. If I add extra weight to an HD shotgun, my preference is for it to be near the rear of the weapon.

Other than a light, sling, and cuff for shells, I don't think there are any other accessories that a HD shotgun needs. In fact, more than that usually starts to detract from its effectiveness.
Thanks for your feedback! I think I will go with the Mossberg 590A1 Compact with an 18.5" barrel for the reasons you exposed and I won't get a recoil reduction stock with a pistol grip since I also consider that the operation of the safety will be a pain with a pistol grip. I will though get the Surefire Forend light, the side saddle and the ammo saddle with elastic for the butt stock to carry extra ammo....but not the sling since it will add more weight to the front of the shotgun.

I am planning on getting an AR-15 later so if SHTF and I need more ammo than the 6+1 of my Mossberg 590A1, then I just grab my carbine and problem solved.
 

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My $0.02 worth has to do with the position of the mechanical safety. The hunting shotguns I've used for 30+ years have the safety buttons in the trigger guard, where my trigger finger goes to automatically with all that experience. The Mossbergs have a tang safety, as does my early Ruger M77 deer rifle. I can't count the number of times I've accidentally or unconsciously swept that tang safety OFF, even though I am cautious enough to check it often.

My point is, if you're used to a particular safety location, take that into serious consideration.
 

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I sold a mossy mariner to get my Benelli Nova SP. Glad I did, too. I only wish there was an aftermarket pistol grip for my Nova.

FWIW... my son purchased a Remington 870 with a tube extension, upon my recommendation. It has many aftermarket parts available without the pesky top safety of the mossy.
 
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