I came across a guy online selling some of Gary's holsters. He had a max con V, an OWB holster and one he called a cheetah holster, all for the mid sized glocks. My friend got away with the maxcon and the Cheetah. I all ready have my max con on order so I was all right with letting him grab it. I took the OWB holster. Its a bit dif from the def con as it has a thumb break and an open bottom. I don't know if its an older design of gary's or custom, but I know I like it. I feel like I stole it for the 30 dollars and some odd chnge I paid for it. Holds my gun extremley close, rides comfortably and doesnt move too much. it has the same reverse slot on the rear of the holster as the def con which I really like. Still breaking it in a bit as it seemed brand new and un stretched. I let it sit all night with two layers of wax paper and drew from it a bit. It's about there. It really makes me THAT much more anxious to recieve my max con. My friend is in love with his cheetah holster. Says he thinks he likes it more than the max con. I took some time switching between some of my other OWB holsters(galco's, mikes) and Gary's just seems to ride better. I'm not having to adjust it during the day. It just stays put. Keep up the good work Gary!