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Here is another murder caught on video tape. The value of these for us is that it gives us a view into how real-world attacks happen--the precursors, how the attack was initiated, and what the victim could have done to maximize chance of escaping/winning.

Be forwarned, this one is brutal. But a good lesson for us. Assuming you are standing there and the three are walking toward you, what would you do differently? What do you do if armed with gun? With knife only? If you have no weapon?

Most Brutal Video of 2006 - NothingToxic.com
 

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That is painful to watch. It's hard to say what he could've done differently since it seems he was apparently outnumbered and unarmed. Also, they seem to be young guys, so I doubt suggesting carry a lethal weapon is a good idea, maybe some OC and not to turn your back on anyone. Interested to hear some ideas from the seasoned guys here.
 

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That is painful to watch.
Well said. I normally don't watch them just because you know what happens. I hope those guys were caught and are getting raped every hour in prison.
 

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Well, I tell my wife to be aware at all times (she calles me paranoid). I always stay a little distance away from most people. I TRY to be aware but nothing is is 100%. Bad thing to happen to anybody and you hope you see them first.
 

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Poor Situational Awareness meets senseless brutality. The first guy hit should have rolled to his feet and gotten up running. A sucker punch is hard to counter. The second guy did all he could do, run for help. Overmatched, out numbered, unarmed and surprised..........escape.
 

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Murder for jollies. Gee, those bans are really working in the U.K., aren't they? What a waste ... the death and the bans. Unarmed victim, yeah? He'd have to be, to remain upstanding, and yet it killed him. Ironic, that.

About all you can do with someone going to full contact, close-quarters, is to have the H2H skills to defend. With an attacker skilled with a knife, it can be hard to survive unless you know your way around unarmed combat.

A sucker punch is hard to counter, yes. You've got to assume that anyone's capable of doing it, and disallow anyone to get close enough to achieve it, whether they're attempting something or not. That means, walking a certain way, maintaining distance, ideally walking with others in a way to disallow direct and unannounced contact.

My options: awareness of the approaching threat; distance/time to allow some options; deploying my firearm as quickly as I'm able. Though, if the first couple amount to nothing, the other option isn't possible. Tough situation. Impossible, with the back turned like the victim had.
 

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What would I have done different? Not get murdered for starters.
 

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The first guy hit never seemed "aware" that someone was approaching him or paying any attention to them at all. Problem # 1. He shouldn't have been able to come up on him (his friend didn't pay attention or warn him either that someone was coming up on them). Once hit, don't lay there whining about it, get up and get even... or get out of the situation. His friend was no help at all either.

If someone was approaching a friend from a blind side I would be warning him, and I would step forward and not let them come in on him like that without being confronted and told to STOP--- and back off.

SHEEP !!!!
 

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I would have fought like I was demon possessed. Had both of them done that, it would have been 2 on 3, much better odds than 3 on 1.

They had nothing to lose and everything to gain and its possible that the thugs may have went to someone else that was easier.
 

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yeah, I agree with you guys that this is pure SA and not allowing yourself to be in such a vulnerable position. Once he gets cold-cocked, I think he is basically knocked out. If he isn't, either fight or flight is better. Once he was been cold-cocked he was probably so out of it that I don't think a knife or a gun would have helped him.
 

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Its hard telling if even better SA would have changed the outcome. Unless the 2 guys were armed or bad asses I don't know what they could have done besides maybe avoid the first sucker punch.And although not good for the ego the other guy running was a good thing.He was obviously unarmed and outnumbered and would have probably met the same fate as his buddy.

Now if the second guy has a firearm the outcome maybe could have been different. He could have dropped the 3 guys after the sucker punch and his buddy wouldn't have received the stabs. I don't know if OC spray or something like that could have worked. It would depend on how motivated the attackers were.
 

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I agree with SIXTO an armed person would of shot & killed all three of them without hesitation.
Imagine being in a situation where three young males are rapidly approaching, with one or more appearing to having something in hand. Imagine what would have to occur in order to not be knifed, how quickly that would have to occur, and how darned easy it could be to get it wrong (ie, if they were simply playing rough nearby and their actions had nothing to do with you, but you took them down anyway). Tough situation to defend against, if done quickly and silently by the perps.
 

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Though he did not follow through, it looks like the guy in the green shirt that got away, tried to deflect the blow to his buddy, when he saw it coming. That poor buddy of his did not even stand a chance. Some kind of hand to hand combat training might have helped here, but as said before, the guys were outnumbered. Hate to see it go down like that.
 

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I don´t think there is much you can do. However, I´d like to know a bit more about the situation... It looks to me like a pre-planned hit, probably gang-related.

As far as H2H skills, I´m pretty sure that the two white thugs were untrained. At 00:10 and 00:12 you see them deliver very poor blows. The first one even loses his balance when he punches.

The black guy on the other hand seems much more dangerous: See at second 00:19 when he lunges at the guy in the green shirt. And then he seems to place the victim in some sort of wristlock and hold him there for the kill.
 

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Self awareness was no where to be found on this one. But after the first guy was hit my gun would have been out (assuming that I was the second guy). If I was the first guy that got hit I would have pulled it (it being my gun or knife whatever was more easy to reach for) out...
 

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The three BG's looked normal... another example of how you cant let anyone get close to you. Better SA would have helped. Pretty awful outcome -- hope they go to jail.
 

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Guy facing should have mentioned someone was coming up from behind, but most know, unless your trained in this Military, Cop, MA/SD or just being taught for S&Gs, most people won't have a clue what to do or what to look for in these situations, the 2nd guy could have looked out for his buddy a little more by grabbing something and just start swinging it at them like a dang Mother Bear protecting her young, go crazy and those punks would have left.

I take it that kid died and if so. That was senseless well my view is no mercy.
 

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They were sheeple, basically. This is exactly what happens when society beats the idea of self-defense out of their citizens. Have you ever read the press releases from the Home Office? "If you're attacked, just BOHICA and wait for the professionals to arrive to take care of it."

"So what happens if just sitting there, as per your instructions, gets me stabbed in the heart, sirs of great import and public safety consciousness?"

"Well, we'll have a suitable accompaniment of officers look down at your body and shake their heads while saying, "Blood shame, this" in the way that only British Officers of the Law can manage. More than adequate considering the circumstances and the fact that you're a mere subject."
 

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Yeah, Situational Awareness has to rank 1st here.

This was in the UK.

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Secondly, can we give a big applause to gun control and knife control in the UK not only assuring the (good) kid was dis-armed but that he would be in trouble with the law even if he did defend himself successfully?
/sarc-off

I'm sure he thought he was safe from such an attack since laws were in place preventing any dangerous weapons from being available. :rolleyes:
 
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