Buffalo Bore Ammo
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I use it in my .38 special. I've got the short barrel +P stuff and it's HOT HOT HOT! I like the it a lot in my steel framed Rossi, but it is too hot for me to shoot out of my S&W 642. I think it's good ammo and would suggest it to anyone who is not recoil sensitive.
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I've used it in .38 Special and it's all it's cracked up to be. I mostly handload but for the most potent .38 Special ammunition it is very difficult to safely beat Buffalo Bore +P 158 grain lead semi-wadcutter .38 Special performance with any sane handload. Velocities are also uniform when tested over the chronograph screens.
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Agreed....their offerings are positively devastating. Bmcgilvray is spot on about their 38's, they perform more closely to some other manufacturers 357 loads. Buffalo Bore is focused on high quality, and that is exactly what you get.
I use it in:
380 ACP - Ruger LCP
9x18 Mak - CZ82
45 LC - Taurus 445
45-70 Gov - Marlin Guide Gun
In short, in every older/underpowered chambering where I can use them in a modern gun, when the normal commercial makers will not produce a high quality, higher powered round. They are everything they claim to be, just damn expensive.
380 ACP - Ruger LCP
9x18 Mak - CZ82
45 LC - Taurus 445
45-70 Gov - Marlin Guide Gun
In short, in every older/underpowered chambering where I can use them in a modern gun, when the normal commercial makers will not produce a high quality, higher powered round. They are everything they claim to be, just damn expensive.
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I'll throw my hat in for BB too! I pack it for EDC in my .380 and my HD 38. Hotter 'n' Hell, you pay for it! $30 per 20 rounds is the norm, but worth it if u ever need it!
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I might be going against the grain here, but I'm not sure I see the point of BB ammo, except maybe for hunting.
AFAIK, they do not make their own JHP bullets. When you push JHPs past their designed velocity spec, you typically see more expansion, but less penetration. Personally, I do not like trading penetration for more expansion.
For their solid bullets (SWC/FMJ), I do not see the point of the added velocity. Standard velocity solids in .38 and .380 already get more than the required penetration, so I do not see why you would want more recoil and slower follow-on shots.
Finally, with the cost of this ammo, I seriously doubt most shooters will run enough of them through their semi-autos to confirm reliable feeding.
So again, other than handgun hunting (where their solids might be useful for deeper penetration), I just do not see the point.
Maybe someone can enlighten me?
AFAIK, they do not make their own JHP bullets. When you push JHPs past their designed velocity spec, you typically see more expansion, but less penetration. Personally, I do not like trading penetration for more expansion.
For their solid bullets (SWC/FMJ), I do not see the point of the added velocity. Standard velocity solids in .38 and .380 already get more than the required penetration, so I do not see why you would want more recoil and slower follow-on shots.
Finally, with the cost of this ammo, I seriously doubt most shooters will run enough of them through their semi-autos to confirm reliable feeding.
So again, other than handgun hunting (where their solids might be useful for deeper penetration), I just do not see the point.
Maybe someone can enlighten me?
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Do you use the solids or the JHP in 9mm Makorov ? I looked at them but the LGS has Hornady FTX in stock; was local purchase w/o a wait and I figure pretty decent ammo. Just wonder if they are that much better and if the flat point solids feed reliably in a weapon that was designed to feed ball ammo. The FTX with the polymer insert in the hollow point cavity seemed to be a good idea for reliable feeding. Not sure that it makes a difference since I never tried the BB but I fired 40+ rounds thru my P64 without a feed problem and they were as accurate as the ball.
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Which one, they list 5 different loadings
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Can private individuals import ammunition into Canada?
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One more consideration, for those thinking about BB for their .380...standard velocity FMJ FPs seem to tumble, while the hot stuff does not. The tumbling can add to the terminal effects.
Pocket Guns and Gear: 380 Auto FMJ Heavy Clothing Terminal Testing in Clear Gel
In addition, the hot stuff gives you more than the FBI max of 18 inches, which increases over penetration risk.
So while perhaps counter intuitive, it seems regular FMJ FP in .380 is actually better than the hotter loads. More than enough penetration, but not too much; tumbles; less recoil; and you can actually afford to proof it and practice with it.
Pocket Guns and Gear: 380 Auto FMJ Heavy Clothing Terminal Testing in Clear Gel
In addition, the hot stuff gives you more than the FBI max of 18 inches, which increases over penetration risk.
So while perhaps counter intuitive, it seems regular FMJ FP in .380 is actually better than the hotter loads. More than enough penetration, but not too much; tumbles; less recoil; and you can actually afford to proof it and practice with it.
I use the hard cast solids. I want to penetrate coats and still get adequate penetration if I have to shoot from the side.
Like the commercial says "More is better than less" especially with small bullets.
More you read about shootings, the more you understand penetration is the key and too little can be fatal (to the shooter) and too much.......well, so be it.
Like the commercial says "More is better than less" especially with small bullets.
More you read about shootings, the more you understand penetration is the key and too little can be fatal (to the shooter) and too much.......well, so be it.
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I thought the FBI was looking for minimum 18" of penetration in gel. By the time you account for bones and clothing you're not going to get 18" in an actual human body.
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