[Euclidean]

Since we're way off the topic anyway... I must pose the devil's advocate question.

Why do people (not ya'll) get so worried about Glocks? Revolvers operate the same exact way (pull trigger go bang no safety mechanisms beyond the trigger pull) and I've been shooting, holstering, and stowing them places for... well... over half my life now (such as it is).

My 686, 629, GP100, etc have absolutely zero safeties of any sort beyond the trigger guard. No nervousness on my part, no accidents. At least the Glock has the Rube Goldberg trigger.

As much as I have come to like the elegant grip safety of the XD design (Was skeptical at first) and agree it's inherently mechanically safer, I don't really think the Glock pistol is any more or less safe than its owner.

 

[Tangle]

Euc,

It's because of the trigger and it is an real issue. The Glock has about a 5# pull weight with about a 0.25" stroke. It's easy to shoot. Compare that with a revolver trigger with probably a 9 - 12 pound pull and a 1 inch or so stroke.

Ernst Langdon was involved in a study that indicated the stroke is really more important that the weight.

Masod Ayoob once said, "A good thing about a Glock is they're easy to shoot. A bad thing about a Glock is they're easy to shoot." There's a lot of truth to that.

 

[P95Carry]

a study that indicated the stroke is really more important that the weight.

My thinking too Ron - totally. That is why the DA pull on the SIG represents a very good ''safety'' - similar to a revo.

For me the Glock stroke is a bit worrysome. Not for shooting, that's just fine - but the periods in between - shall we say collectively ''handling''.

 

[Tangle]

...For me the Glock stroke is a bit worrysome. Not for shooting, that's just fine - but the periods in between - shall we say collectively ''handling''.

Me too. I can only imagine what it would feel like to have a LEO thinking I'm a BG with his Glock pointed at me and notice that his finger is on the trigger.

 

[JT]

It doesn't worry me because....

I keep my finger off the trigger
I always use a holster
I re-holster slowly

And I don't mean to sound condescending in any way. I know everybody here knows to keep their finger off the trigger, and I’m sure they follow that religiously like I do. What I mean is that as long as I do those three things, I personally have a very high comfort level with Glocks.

 

[Bud White]

Doesn't worry me .. Hold on gotta squeeze into my nomex suit..

Because it take 30 rounds for most cops to hit ya anyway :biggrin2:

 

[Gelicious]

Well in preliminary testing, keep in mind I haven't got a chance to run more through it yet - The WWB was much closer to POI and the Wolf, although it ran just fine and was actually rather clean, went all over the place.

It depends on what you're doing. If you are just running some ammo through the gun like I was for some reliability testing, Wolf was fine. At $7.50 a box of 50 I think I'll be shooting lots of Wolf even though it's not the greatest ammo in the world for this particular gun.

The modestly more expensive WWB at $20 for 100 does significantly better. I wish I'd photographed a target for comparison.

If I ever get off my duff I'll start reloading at some point this year, and plan to just "roll my own" after a while.

I haven't tried any other cheap ammo... no UMC or anything like that.

However it seems the standard pressure Winchester SXT 230 grain load is becoming a popular choice for a defensive/carry load on hs2000talk.com It performed very well out of my particular gun indeed. The only thing that ticks me off about this is that you have to work that much harder to dig up this ammunition. I'd have bought more if I'd known it was going to work that well.

That's about all I know to say. Your particular XD45ACP may behave differently of course.

Nice, Thanks alot. It turns out the deal got sweeter and im getting the XD this Tuseday. Im also getting a cash difference so i can pick up a few hundred rounds of ammo and still get the wifey her carry gun. :banana: Ill pick up some wolf ammo and shoot it through and see what i come up with but ill also look into some blazer or UMC too. I guess when buying your first "new gun" you should find out what shoots best for the money and experiance these things yourself... Thanks again for all the info! I saw thouse Winchester SXT at midwayusa.com they were a little spendy but hey for something thats getting all the raves in the personal defence ammo world. It might be worth giving them a shoT

 

[Tangle]

Sunday I compared my XD9 Tactical, my XD Bitone with Springfield Armory (SA) Carry Triggger job, and my Sig 226R, also 9mm, using WWB from Walmart, and I made some picks.

I set up two B-27 targets, one at 18 feet and one at 28 feet. The goal was to see if I could determine any significant difference in accuracy between the three guns. All shots were slow fire and the first shot from the Sig was DA just like it would be if I had to shoot it to defend myself. I shot five shots from each gun and repeated the process.

It was 31º and I had to wear some knit gloves (all I had with me). I shot the target at 18 feet first. I shot five shots with the XD9 Tactical first at the left "7" on the B-27. The XD9 was next on the right "7", and then five shots from the Sig 226R on the top "7". Results are in the first two pics. And, that's a quarter completely covering the five shots from the XD9 Tactical and a nickel almost completely covering the five shots from the Sig 226R. And the slide is so loose on the Sig you can shake it and it rattles. It doesn't seem to affect accuracy.

I'm not sure what's going on with the XD9; it should have grouped better and I think it will.

The third pic is about 20 shots from each gun at 28 feet. I shot one too many evolutions and knew it when I did it. I was getting pretty tired and the last evolution spread the groups out significantly. But, the guns do shoot well and the WWB ammo appears to be quite accurate and consistant.

And, I KNOW, I KNOW - the date on my camera is wrong. :frown:

 

[Bud White]

And, I KNOW, I KNOW - the date on my camera is wrong. :frown:

Hey Do ya know the Date is wrong in your Camera? :haha:

That some good shooting there for such cold weather.

 

[Tangle]

Hey Do ya know the Date is wrong in your Camera? :haha:

That some good shooting there for such cold weather.

Does anyone really know what time it is? Hey, there may be a song in there somewhere.

 

[Euclidean]

The XD is like anything else... each particular gun seems to group certain brands slightly tighter. Compare my pics of unsupported rapid fire at 7 yards in the original post between the SXT and the Wolf. I was all over the place with the Wolf. The SXT groups quite nicely. The shots that were off was because of me not the ammo.

Ughhhh need to shoot more. Time to spend another day with the 10/22...

 

[OD*]

Why do people (not ya'll) get so worried about Glocks? Revolvers operate the same exact way

Not exactly. Glocks are not DAs, but striker fired, would be like carrying a revolver at at half-cock (if you could).

 

[Euclidean]

True. Glocks are weird like that.

 

[Bud White]

Not exactly. Glocks are not DAs, but striker fired, would be like carrying a revolver at at half-cock (if you could).

Thats True but they do have a heavy trigger pull not as heavy as a da Revolver..

Also springer has almsot same trigger pull and yeah its got the grip safety on it but 99% of the time you hand is depressing the grip safety even when holstering ..

I have one of each and can say there's not much difference between a glock and XD

 

[Euclidean]

I beg to differ. There's a world of difference in a Glock and an XD. Granted it's not like comparing a Mateba to a falling block target pistol...

 

[Bud White]

how ya figure? both tupperware both striker fired bother got a goofy trigger ..


Main difference is grip safety and angle and xd usually weighs more than the comparable glock

 

[Tangle]

The XD has a significantly longer trigger stroke and longer reset than a Glock; it has a pull weight of 6.5# as compared to Glock's 5#.

When holstering an XD I always place my thumb on the beavertail. That releases the grip safety so the trigger cannot snag and fire.

IMO an XD with a round chambered is much safer to slide under the seat in a car, place in a glovebox or console for those times the gun can't go with us.

 

[Bud White]

6.5# trigger? yours is heavy i got 5.5 on my xd and thats what springer rates it at and my glock is also 5.5

 

[Euclidean]

I don't know the numbers off hand (and honestly don't care, ha!) but the triggers are different. Maybe not different pull weights but they feel different.

At any rate, Tangle pretty much got it. The differences may seem slight to some but I've bought 3 XDs and 0 Glocks so they're significant to me.

 

[Bud White]

As is said to each there own .. you carrying the 45 yet?