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Sacramento Bee Editorial on AB962

Editorial: Ammunition sales should be checked statewide
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Thursday, Sep. 24, 2009

In 2008, the first year after the Sacramento City Council approved an ordinance requiring local gun dealers to record driver's license numbers and thumbprints of people who purchase ammunition, police were able to track 229 illegal ammunition purchases.

Some 173 convicted felons were among prohibited purchasers, including two people who had been in prison for murder and seven who had active restraining orders against them for domestic violence.

Of those 229 cases, 136 ended in criminal convictions. More importantly, scores of illegal guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition were taken from convicted criminals who were not supposed to have them.

Based on the success in Sacramento, Los Angeles, Oakland and other cities that have enacted similar ammunition registration ordinances, Los Angeles Assemblyman Kevin de León is hoping the governor will sign Assembly Bill 962. The proposed law would require all ammunition retailers in the state to get state identification and fingerprints from their customers.

This is a common-sense law-and-order measure. Convicted felons, people with violent mental health histories or domestic violence restraining orders against them are barred from possessing both firearms and ammunition. There are laws in place that require identity checks and waiting periods for gun purchases, but no such prevention measures guard against illegal ammunition purchases. That's a dangerous loophole the de León bill would close.

Schwarzenegger rejected a similar bill in 2004. In his veto message, he said because the federal government had already determined that ammunition registration "was simply unworkable and offered no public benefit."

The experience in Sacramento and elsewhere around the state shows he's wrong. AB 962 won't end gun violence, but it will make it harder for criminals to get ammunition. The governor should heed the advice of police chiefs in Oakland, Los Angeles and Sacramento and sign it.
This bill would also ban mail-order ammo sales! :aargh4:
The really crummy part of this is that the Governor has to actively VETO this by October 11th or it becomes law.
In anticipation of the Governator living up to his recent reputation of worthlessness, I have just ordered two spam cans of russian surplus.
 

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Using their own statistics, 40% of the illegal purchasers walked. Hardly an overwhelming conviction rate. Those that were convicted will be subject to what, time off for good behavior?
 

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There is something horribly wrong with the water or air in Sacramento, It seems that if you live there, statistics take on magical meaning.

I try to keep ammo out of the hands of criminals by BUYING IT FIRST! :banana:
 

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Suppressing the rights of millions of residents in order to catch ...how many criminals? 136?

The fact that these individuals were legally barred from purchasing ammo suggests that A) they've experienced revolving-door justice (which is a judicial problem, not an ammo problem) or B) they've been victimized by a zero-tolerance system by having their rights denied for something other than committing a violent crime. Let's face it, Kalifornia will yank your USC rights on a whim.

Well, at least we know that criminals will now have no way of getting ammo. Right? Right? Hello? Is this thing on...?
 

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We lived there 1986 to 1990. Nice people. Nice weather. Terrible place to try to build or manufacture due to legal and regulatory climate. Made my decision to leave easy. It is their right to have the kind of government that they want, but it is not for me. We just have to make sure the federal government's power is curtailed, or we will all be in Kalifornia.
 

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Why anyone would want to live in CA is beyond my thinking...:22a:
 

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I've been here for two years. Marking the months until I can leave. If it wasn't for work and my last few years in the marketplace, I'd be gone already.
 

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Why anyone would want to live in CA is beyond my thinking...
I agree 100% and just hope they don't migrate to Colorado, unless they bring guns, an appreciation for the Constitution and an anti-liberal attitude.
 

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I lived in San Diego for 10 years.

I now live in GA. Shows how much I give a puke about that crap bucket state.

So much beatuiful outdoors sigh I feel like I have been outlawed to leave the state literally and liberally.
 

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We left that place 18 years ago, not going back.
 

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In a very short time, the BGs will learn to get their ammo by other means. It will be as hard for them to find as it is to find illegal drugs or illegal immigrants. Decent people will still be stuck with a cumbersome and costly regulatory procedure forever.
 

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I used to live in CA. The way I got to feeling better about my state of residence was to change it. I live 40 years of my life there, and I have no desire to return.
 

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Help kill this thing.............

I know this is California thing but many bad ideas originate here and spread across the country. Take a minute to hit the number below and log in a "No" vote.

Oppose AB962 Now!

AB962 is sitting on the Governor’s desk awaiting his veto or signature. AB962 would mandate the following changes in the way you buy ammunition:

1) It would prohibit the sale of ammo in a manner that allows the ammunition to be accessible without the help of an employee. In other words, you’ll have to stand in line and have to wait to be shown the ammunition you may want to purchase.

2) It would require the dealer to ask for you ID each time you buy handgun ammunition and the dealer will record the following personal information:

a. A thumbprint

b. Your CDL #

c. Your home address and telephone number

d. The brand and type of ammunition that you purchased

e. Your date of birth

3) Additionally, it would be illegal to buy ammo via online or mail order methods, so if a local store can’t find you older, hard-to-get or obsolete ammunition, you won’t be able to get it from via the internet.



Please contact the Governor today and let him know that you oppose AB962.



You can contact him at 916-445-2841 and do an auto-vote against the bill as follows:
Listen to the recorded message and press in the following order:

1 (English)
2 (legislation)
2 (AB962)
2 (against)

If it is busy – keep trying, and it is easier to get through after hours. It is all automated.
 

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Someone in Sac needs to write a letter to the Bee explaining how under our form of government, LAW ABIDING people do not have to "ask for permission" to do things.

CRIMINALS, however, are not "law abiding" people and therefore are subject to restrictions upon their liberties. How about endorsing laws which require that the State set up a registration system whereby CRIMINALS are the only ones listed in the data base and that data base is used to prohibit CRIMINALS from doing illegal things like buying and possessing guns, engaging in criminal acts, or purchasing/using illegal drugs.

Oh wait, we already HAVE those laws and that data base. WHY isn't the State using it to prevent CRIMINALS from committing acts that they are prohibited from doing instead of creating a list of "permissions" that authorize the LAW ABIDING to freely enjoy their God-given rights?

This is anti-American, anti-government, and anti-rights.
 

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Because some day when hell freezes over or we get our select fire rights back (which none of the two will happen with out bloodshed ) I would consider moving back I will cast my telephone auto vote if allowed.
 

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Where in the world did this myth that CA sets the trend for other States in Gun Control originate?

Every time local CA politicians have a "Turd for Brains" idea I have to panic in Idaho? I think not. I lived in CA for many years (born and raised) and since moving out 10 years ago, I have seen that the koolaid only makes it to DC and the eastern states. It just doesn't get drank out here and it will not get drank. The minute that kind of stuff gets tossed around by the poli's, they get tossed out on their butts, just like the voters in CA should do. Same thing happens with our Federal Reps.

While I empathize with you, I have no sympathy. Vote 'em out or move.

Start with your local Sheriff and the county locals......either he issues CCW permits and they support the sheriff or they get kicked out.

They get the message fast enough.
 

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I was born and raised in Redding. The Army took me out here to Fort Campbell, KY. in '92, and now I live in Clarksville, TN, and I have not looked back since. To be honest, I miss living in CA. I miss the mountains, lakes, and the weather. But the politics, forget it. I can remember back in the '80's, I, at the age of 16, could walk into a Kmart, buy a box of CCI .22 rounds, and go out to the dump and shoot. Those days are long gone, and doutful that they will ever return.
 

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Where in the world did this myth that CA sets the trend for other States in Gun Control originate?

Every time local CA politicians have a "Turd for Brains" idea I have to panic in Idaho? I think not. I lived in CA for many years (born and raised) and since moving out 10 years ago, I have seen that the koolaid only makes it to DC and the eastern states. It just doesn't get drank out here and it will not get drank. The minute that kind of stuff gets tossed around by the poli's, they get tossed out on their butts, just like the voters in CA should do. Same thing happens with our Federal Reps.

While I empathize with you, I have no sympathy. Vote 'em out or move.

Start with your local Sheriff and the county locals......either he issues CCW permits and they support the sheriff or they get kicked out.

They get the message fast enough.

Vote them out or move......wow, I hadn't thought of that!
Seriously, a lot of progress has been made in counties such as Orange and San Bernardino but it's an up hill battle as gun owners here are out numbered by the libs and moving just isn't an option.
If you don't think bad things start here and eventually come your way just check out the link below to Idaho Gangs.com.

Dude, nobody's asking you to move back, it was simply a request to help a brother out by hitting the Govenator's poll...

</title> <title>IdahoGangs.com - about the criminal gangs operating in Idaho. - Home
 

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It has been 24 years since I left Kalifornia. I never want to move back, although I have to visit my parents once in awhile, so I have to go back sometimes.

I am dumbstruck at the stranglehold that evil has on the citizens there.

Michael Savage is right. It is a mental disorder. Almost all the politicians in KA, from local to national deserve to be physically hauled out of office and trampled under foot.
 
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