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Although we have been on a downward trend to high speed erosion of (GOD) given rights in the past 30-40 years, I have to look
at current history as it relates to this administration. For a while in the past, there was give & take. Now; it appears to be a lot more take than give.
We as a people may have been sliding downward, but the slide was very very slow. Now, it appears accelerated.

I read on these forums about sheriffs fighting back, manufacturing facilities leaving states not so much in a rights protest but rather financial viability reasons,
states writing nullification laws that probably mean nothing, federal cabinet appointees completely unqualified yet appointed only to protect a sitting president as he builds his wall of secrecy.

I'm sure many here can add to this list. So I wonder?

Can we as a free people survive another three and a half years of the Obama administration?

News media outlets, be they liberal or conservative are expert at pointing out the problems, yet have nor provide any real answers to the problems.

IRS is caught in a major lie, the NSA spying on American citizens, Bengazi cover up....and in all this...

NO ACCOUNTABILITY! NONE! ZERO!

Sure, every so often a little fish is caught and shown to the public to justify their bloated agencies with further need for deeper funding.

Right & wrong issues have blurred so much, few can no longer distinguish the difference or worse, our leaders tell us there is no difference or it is not even a issue worth discussing.

Money & power trump right & wrong. "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" starring Jimmy Stewart is just a movie.

The Obama people play a great game of three card monte where we are told to look over here while we never see the slight of hand under the table..and by the time we do catch on, a new game is being played to steal from us, be it money or rights...Both equally devastating to the majority of citizens.

I don't have the answers for anyone. Hopefully I am not unlike others who (DO) have the answers yet keep it to themselves....Maybe that's the problem.
 

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What we need is a bunch of Mr./Mrs./Ms. Smiths to go to Washington to be Congressman Smith, Senator Smith, President Smith & Vice President Smith. We need a populist takeover at the ballot box. We need to send regular citizens who can discuss, negotiate and come to terms on how to run this country under the constitution. That may mean we get a few amendments, if 3/4 of the states approve of them, that is how the process works. We have to get the "ruling class" out of office.
 

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I hate to be the PESSIMIST, but I believe they (The Administration) are working this , so we hit that tipping point. Meaning they either suspend any inclination of a Bill Of Rights and Constitutional Republic without a backlash.... or as i believe they are HOPING for civil unrest. I really, really believe that was their plan from the beginning. It was saif we are just one generation away from TYRANNY. It is here now. Common sense lost at the Ballot Box (or was stolen). The only thing that stands in there way is the 2nd Amendment.
 

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It's not the press's job to offer solutions, except as opinion/editorial. Those op/eds let you know whether you're reading a left-or right-leaning rag. In all honesty, stories on the same incident should read pretty much the same, whether you're reading the POST, or the TIMES.

The rest of your statements are a bit political for this forum, but I do believe the Second Amendment will survive the current occupant.

That said, I've posted elsewhere on DC, that I believe the 2nd IS in grave danger in 30-50 years.

Our children's children are in grade school now, and they are, for the most part, bring taught that guns are bad in the wrong hands, and that the only "right hands" belong to civil servants (LEO), and the military.

Unless they are gently explained the truth at their tender age now, they will keep the indoctrinated memory in the future, when they vote.

Guns are this generation's tobacco...

Yeah, I got tapatalk, too. So what?
 

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The Zit has been there for awhile, its just coming to a head. The sleeping majority is waking up. I believe we will see a swing next year and another after that. Baring a power grab that we have never seen in our history, we should be okay, until the next go around...:yup:
 

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I think the vultures are circling. They're salivating as they are watching and waiting for the next catastrophe so they can push through their communist agenda.

As Levin pointed out (which most of us were already aware), for the first time in America's history, we have ALL of the elements of a police state.

It will only take a small spark for the massive explosion that's about to happen.

The nay-sayers will laugh and call us the "black helicopter crowd". Obama and Biden are working hard to tell the masses not to worry. There's nothing to see here. Don't be paranoid like the preppers. And on and on.

But mark my word. There will come the day, and it will be soon, that the leftists are going to make a gun grab. They will do it so fast, you won't know what hit you.

They're just "testing the waters" right now.

But the assault on our 2nd Amendment has already started.
 

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I think the vultures are circling. They're salivating as they are watching and waiting for the next catastrophe so they can push through their communist agenda.

As Levin pointed out (which most of us were already aware), for the first time in America's history, we have ALL of the elements of a police state.

It will only take a small spark for the massive explosion that's about to happen.

The nay-sayers will laugh and call us the "black helicopter crowd". Obama and Biden are working hard to tell the masses not to worry. There's nothing to see here. Don't be paranoid like the preppers. And on and on.

But mark my word. There will come the day, and it will be soon, that the leftists are going to make a gun grab. They will do it so fast, you won't know what hit you.

They're just "testing the waters" right now.

But the assault on our 2nd Amendment has already started - and they've only just begun.
I heard the same thing when Nixon was POTUS. I've heard pretty much the same from whoevers guy wasn't in charge for as long as I can remember. Didn't impress me none then and that talk doesn't impress me now.

People on all sides always seem to react the same way. The other side gets the seat and they think the sky is falling.

Doesn't mean you act complacent but you shouldn't be setting yourself on fire like a Buddhist Monk either.
 

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Yes, the 2A will survive. The only question is what condition it will be in by 2016. It may require some rehab. Hopefully the next occupants of our elected offices will have the intestinal fortitude to do what is required at that time.
 

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I heard the same thing when Nixon was POTUS. I've heard pretty much the same from whoevers guy wasn't in charge for as long as I can remember. Didn't impress me none then and that talk doesn't impress me now.

People on all sides always seem to react the same way. The other side gets the seat and they think the sky is falling.

Doesn't mean you act complacent but you shouldn't be setting yourself on fire like a Buddhist Monk either.
Funny thing you say that. I never felt the "sky was falling" when Clinton or Carter were in office. Of course, Clinton and Carter are Mickey Mouse amateurs compared to what Obama has done.

But as I said in my earlier post, there will be naysayers who think everything is A-OK.

For this present day, you are entitled to your opinion, as long as it coincides with the current regime.
 
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My chief concerns with Carter and Clinton was that they were both embarassements. Carter for his ineptitude and Clinton for his poor integrity. Oh yeah and the Clintons took the first pass at ruining healthcare, closed a lot of hospitals, moved the focus from patient care to the almighty dollar, and put a lot of people out of work in the healthcare industry. But I never felt we were in danger of becoming a full fledged police state.

Now I do believe we have already crossed that line, the implementation is progressing rapidly but the final pieces haven't been clicked into place - yet. Think of a Rubiks cube. It seems impossible for many. But in the hands of someone who knows how to solve it there is no doubt of the outcome. Watching them manipulate the cube still looks confounding until nearly the last few moves. Then suddenly a final few turns and its done.
 

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The right to Keep and Bear which is not granted by the 2A only protected by it and prohibits anyone from interfering with it will survive as long as there are Americans willing to make sure it does. When those no longer exist we become subjects of a police state under a dictator.
 

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The other side gets the seat and they think the sky is falling. Doesn't mean you act complacent but you shouldn't be setting yourself on fire like a Buddhist Monk either.
I somewhat agree that we shouldn't be in chicken little mode yet at this point, but there is a difference now from any time in the past. Back then, if the group in power changed, things would go a different direction for a while. At this point we are now seeing BOTH major parties increasingly interested in taking away our rights in the name of "security" and "compassion", and there is no "other party" to turn to anymore. That, combined with the increasing disinterest and/or dumbing down of our electorate, has me closer to tin foil hat land than I've ever been before.
 

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The rest of your statements are a bit political for this forum,
Politics (from Greek: politikos, meaning "of, for, or relating to citizens")
Silly me. I thought the Bill of Rights, The Constitution were "for" the people.

..and seriously, I did believe the "right of the people to keep and bear arms" was written "for" the people.
 

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unless there's a constitutional amendment that rescinds the 2nd then yes, it will survive
Sure, it may survive but will we be looking at it through a hole in the fence.
 
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I somewhat agree that we shouldn't be in chicken little mode yet at this point, but there is a difference now from any time in the past. Back then, if the group in power changed, things would go a different direction for a while. At this point we are now seeing BOTH major parties increasingly interested in taking away our rights in the name of "security" and "compassion", and there is no "other party" to turn to anymore. That, combined with the increasing disinterest and/or dumbing down of our electorate, has me closer to tin foil hat land than I've ever been before.
Then why is it only the democrats who author anti gun laws? And why is it that the Republicans vote against anti-gun laws?

Hmmmm?:rolleyes:
 

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I heard the same thing when Nixon was POTUS. I've heard pretty much the same from whoevers guy wasn't in charge for as long as I can remember. Didn't impress me none then and that talk doesn't impress me now.

People on all sides always seem to react the same way. The other side gets the seat and they think the sky is falling.

Doesn't mean you act complacent but you shouldn't be setting yourself on fire like a Buddhist Monk either.
This is a total differnt element we are dealing with. It's no coincidence that almost every awake American can feel the storm clouds rolling and something is just differnt here. We are dealing with a foreign invasion in my opinion by their actions.
 

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Obama doers not want to take anyone's guns or their right to have one. He said so and that is that.
 
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