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I recently went on vacation and carried 2 handguns I have an OK SDA which is the new CCL in OK I have been licensed less than 3 months so still learning the ropes. I went to AR, TN, NC, and MS. all of these states have reciprocity with OK. Our final night on the way home we stayed at a Casino in Tunica MS. The Casino and hotel, was posted. I figured that they would be so I had the weapons in my luggage. (Is-was) this legal to have the weapons in my luggage or did I commit a big no no. I do not want this to happen again and would like some guidance. By the way the Casino website does not mention that the Casino is posted and MS signs carry the force of law. Thanks for any information and if this is in the wrong place please move to where it goes,
 

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If it was an Indian casino, then they're sovereign nations, which in most cases trump state law. They may have their own laws on the matter, and if it is a no-no, then you'd have to go to tribal courts over the matter. If it is not an indian casino, they'd be bound by state law, wouldn't they?
 

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The casinos in Tunica are not Indian casinos so you would have to follow the state laws. I dont go in to MS except for work so I am not overly familliar with their carry laws. Unfortunatley ignorance of the law is no excuse, even if the law infringes upon our rights.

That said I have carried in the Wolfchase Galleria in TN. The signs here carry the weight of the law and I have been told the galleria is posted in the parking lot and building. I always use the same entrance to the lot and building and neither are posted. TN state law clearly states the sinage must meet certain requirements and be posted at ALL public entrances. If the galleria isnt meeting thoes requirements then I refuse to recognize it. Its a risk I am willing to take because the only places I visit are right inside that non-posted entrance.

I AM NOT A LAWYER.
 

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I would believe a No guns allowed sign, whatever the legal wording, mean no guns....whether on your person or in your carry-in luggage.
 

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... stayed at a Casino in Tunica MS.
The Casino and hotel, was posted.
... and MS signs carry the force of law.
The casinos in Tunica are not Indian casinos
I'd say, you have your answer. Posted place; you recognized the posted signs; postings carry force of law in that state; carry in violation of that is against that state's laws.
 

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I've always found that a good rule of thumb for me is to stay away from casinos, armed or otherwise. YMMV
 

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If it was an Indian casino, then they're sovereign nations, which in most cases trump state law. They may have their own laws on the matter, and if it is a no-no, then you'd have to go to tribal courts over the matter. If it is not an indian casino, they'd be bound by state law, wouldn't they?
Don't think they are Native American owned casinos, but if it was, you do not want to go to court on a reservation. My wife's grandmother has a bit of a gambling habit, and was accused by tribal police of stealing someone's eyeglasses at a reservation casino up north. It was basically a shake down - they wanted her to pay a few hundred dollars or go before the tribal council. Unfortunately for them, my wife's mom was a district court clerk and my wife's uncle is a federal LEO - they made some calls, promised the sky would fall in if the reservation pushed this any further, and they let her go.

I don't step foot in those places - you have few rights if you are accused of something.
 

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I think carrying unloaded in luggage versus carrying on one's person with immediate access is highly dependent on state law.
 

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I carry in posted places all the time.

Of course, here in cornland those signs are worthless, and do not carry the weight of law.

If it's illegal, it's not worth it, and I do not go there.
I never knowingly violate except for one exception. There is a restaurant in my building on the first floor where I often order dinner from and pick it up when I get home, it is a 51% establishment since it has a large (and overpriced) bar, I am carrying on my person since I have been out and don't bother to disarm for the 75 seconds I spend there paying for my order at the bar counter.
 

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can someone thoroughly educate me in what sign has force of the law means????

I saw that on handgun law us.com and didn't quite get it
 

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Yeah. Its really simple. If Joe Business owner takes out a sheet of paper, and a crayon, and writes "no guns allowed"...it depends.

IF its a "carries the force of law state", carrying in violation of the sign is a violation of the State law.
IF its not, then its between you and the business owner.

can someone thoroughly educate me in what sign has force of the law means????

I saw that on handgun law us.com and didn't quite get it
 

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I recently went on vacation and carried 2 handguns I have an OK SDA which is the new CCL in OK I have been licensed less than 3 months so still learning the ropes. I went to AR, TN, NC, and MS. all of these states have reciprocity with OK. Our final night on the way home we stayed at a Casino in Tunica MS. The Casino and hotel, was posted. I figured that they would be so I had the weapons in my luggage. (Is-was) this legal to have the weapons in my luggage or did I commit a big no no. I do not want this to happen again and would like some guidance. By the way the Casino website does not mention that the Casino is posted and MS signs carry the force of law. Thanks for any information and if this is in the wrong place please move to where it goes,
I, too, have been to Tunica, to the casinos, (for seminars), and I carry. Im POSITIVE that security knows, and doesnt care, so long as you are not causing trouble. Id trust casino security to spot things over TSA, anyday.
 

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can someone thoroughly educate me in what sign has force of the law means????

I saw that on handgun law us.com and didn't quite get it
Speaking for TX, the only sign that has any legal authority is one that is verbatim exactly correct as dictated per PC 30.06 (Trespass by a concealed handgun licensee). It has to have the text in both English and Spanish, be at least 1.5" high, be block letters, black on white or vice versa and be place clearly visible at an entrance. Around me, these signs are fairly uncommon but do turn up, mainly at corporate chains (Buffalo wild wings...gag) or hippie stores. I have noticed a lot more of them in Austin though.

The other sign that you have to watch for in TX in the "51%" sign. This means that an establishment generates 51% or more of it's revenues from sales of alcohol for on premises consumption. Posting of this sign is not at the discretion of the establishment, it is required by the alcoholic beverage code, so don't hold it against the owners of the place, they have no choice. Failing to post the sign is grounds for losing your liquor sales license, which for a bar and many restaurants means they will quickly go out of business. And yes, TABC does check, a lot.

Noncompliant signs are everywhere, it is pretty funny to see the little stickers with a pistol with a circle and a line through it. You even see these on the doors of major corporations with buildings full of lawyers, any one of whom could tell them in 2 minutes flat that the signs are meaningless. I suspect some of them know this and choose to post them on purpose out of compliance to make non gun people feel good while the CHLers know the truth.
 

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Lol.. Took me a minute, but I think I got it..
 

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:wink:....OK, I found the mistakes...what do I win???
Speaking for TX, the only sign that has any legal authority is one that is verbatim exactly correct as dictated per PC 30.06 (Trespass by a concealed handgun licensee). It has to have the text in both English and Spanish, be at least 1.5" high, be block letters, black on white or vice versa and be place clearly visible at an entrance. Around me, these signs are fairly uncommon but do turn up, mainly at corporate chains (Buffalo wild wings...gag) or hippie stores. I have noticed a lot more of them in Austin though.

The other sign that you have to watch for in TX in the "51%" sign. This means that an establishment generates 51% or more of it's revenues from sales of alcohol for on premises consumption. Posting of this sign is not at the discretion of the establishment, it is required by the alcoholic beverage code, so don't hold it against the owners of the place, they have no choice. Failing to post the sign is grounds for losing your liquor sales license, which for a bar and many restaurants means they will quickly go out of business. And yes, TABC does check, a lot.

Noncompliant signs are everywhere, it is pretty funny to see the little stickers with a pistol with a circle and a line through it. You even see these on the doors of major corporations with buildings full of lawyers, any one of whom could tell them in 2 minutes flat that the signs are meaningless. I suspect some of them know this and choose to post them on purpose out of compliance to make non gun people feel good while the CHLers know the truth.
"...at least 1" letters..."...not "1 1/2"
"...contrasting colors..."nothing about black and/or white
..."...posted on the property..."...nothing about "at an entrance"

... accurate knowledge is power... http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/30.06.00.html

(...not bad for only one cup of coffee, huh?!!!)
 

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I think carrying unloaded in luggage versus carrying on one's person with immediate access is highly dependent on state law.
As would any regulations regarding possession in your hotel room and whether or not a hotel's "no weapons" declaration can extend to a rented room.
 

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Since signs do carry weight of law in MS, in the casino it would definitely be a no-no. As to the hotel, that is an iffy one. If you booked your room in advance and paid for it prior to taking your bags in, it is your place of residence and I don't think they would be allowed to restrict you.
 
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