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Handled a buddy's BHP this morning - love those guns and have used mine for carry in past but - heck - this guy's trigger was light - I mean LIGHT! He had had work done on it. Didn't get to put tester on it but, had to be three pounds max!! I should have remembered to try a test on hammer to see if sear was still cut right.

For me it was too light to be safe, considering stress shooting and control thereof. Fine for a target/range only gun.

Got me to thinking - I personally do NOT want overlight trigger for carry - the Glock with 3.5# disconnect is absolutely on limit of where I'd wanna be - and I don't own Glocks.

I favor ''firm'' - meaning maybe 7 to 8 D/A if there and S/A not too much under 5. I think 4 1/2 on a 1911 is plenty light enough. I do tho favor smoothness and freedom from creep - that is way more important for me than simple measured poundage.

Your thoughts, choices?
 

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I do the same.

I tell Terry to make my 1911 triggers smooth and crisp, but +5 pounds, at least.

I also have his adjust the safety so that it's harder to push to the 'fire' position. I don't have to worry so much about bumping it accidently.
 

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I have the triggers on both of my 1911's at 3 3/4#. Now I don't recommend this for everyone, but it's what works for me. I also, like Tourist, have a very firm thumb safety. It takes more pressure than most to click down.
The 686 I sold to P95 has about a 1 1/2 # single action trigger, he can tell you just how light it really is.
I just prefer a lighter trigger than most people and one that most people should have.
 

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I stress smoothness of trigger more than I stress weight of trigger pull. Most of my carry guns have everything stock still in them. My 1911 does need some work to smooth it up some though.
 

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Maybe Not Common Knowledge To New Carry People

Your (self~defense) shooting is considered to be homocide and treated as a homocide...until it is determined to be justified.
If you are ever involved in a defensive shooting that results in a fatality then your firearm trigger pull/weight IS going to be tested.
If your trigger pull is excessively light on your carry firearm then it will (for sure) at least be a major issue in any possible civil case brought against you. A smooth trigger DA trigger pull is good. A crisp SA let off is good.
An overly light or heavily altered trigger pull could possibly be very bad news for you. If your trigger pull is light & your firearm came from the factory that way then "no sweat" ~
Ideally for your "Regular Defensive Carry Firearm" you should try to purchase a firearm that ALREADY has a trigger pull & weight that you can live with.

Semi~Interesting Reading:
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I like the trigger as the gun was delivered from the mfg at about 3.75#. It is smooth and I don't find this reckless. If you don't want a nd keep the finger off the trigger :smile: I would imagine under stress it may not matter what the weight is if the shooter wants it to fire it will. JMHO.
 

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My DA trigger is about 8 lbs and my SA about 4.5 lbs, as it came from the factory. I'm considering a factory trigger job to make it a little smoother, which will also reduce the DA trigger to between 6 and 7 lbs. I don't need the DA trigger to be lighter, but I'd like to make it a little smoother. I've been practicing DA/SA pairs, and have gotten to where my groups are staying tight, even with the difference in the trigger.
 

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Seems smooth is what we most want - makes sense anyways. Plus of course what suits the individual too. I am very aware of rule #3 and my trigger finger never goes onto trigger without good reason - so I guess I could go lighter and still be OK.
The 686 I sold to P95 has about a 1 1/2 # single action trigger, he can tell you just how light it really is.
Haha - that's a fact Bob!!! Indeed, S/A on that revo is ''sneeze sensitive'' LOL. For your original purpose and also for bullseye approach it's fine - my original M27 years back I worked to be not much heavier than that. The D/A of course is about std but delightfully smooth.
 

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My S&W4506 .45 has a healthy trigger pull, maybe 5 to 7 lbs I don't know. I don't shoot it very well and maybe its because I worry about the pull when trying to plkace shots. A well experienced shooter will shoot fine regardless of what the trigger is in #, we who are just OK shooters blame our gun, but 4# trigger does sound OK for carry I suppose. :smile:
 

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Try to remember to CYA...AKA...."put a blanket on your donkey"
As In Cover your A$$ :biggrin:
If you send your intended CARRY firearm in to have trigger work done on it...include a signed and dated CYA letter to the gunsmith doing the work for you.
Keep a copy for yourself.
Request a smooth, crisp, & SAFE trigger job for the purpose of daily self~defensive carry. Just get that word "Safe" in there.
It sounds redundant...since no good gunsmith is going to knowingly give you an UNSAFE trigger job ~ BUT, it serves the purpose of having a helpful piece of paper in your possession that shows (in writing) a prior concern for SAFETY on your part...to future people who will not know you from Adam.
Just a suggestion.
Hopefully you'll never need it but, you'll have it in case you ever do.
 

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I have never understood the thought process behind this.
Many folks seem to think that, in a justified self-defense shooting, having a 3 lb trigger and using handloads, or "black talons", or other "mean sounding" ammo will be harder to justify than a 12 lb trigger and the same ammo that police use.
If someone draws their weapon and intentionally fires one or more rounds into an "aggressor", none of the above matters. :confused:
It seems the problem crops up when one says "I didn't mean to shoot", or "I didn't mean to kill him/her".
JMHO. :smile:
 

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sarhog - my thinking is less legal oriented on this in fact than simply - gun control under stress. If I need it to work then I need it to work to my best advantage.

If you like I am surmizing that the light trigger of 3 lbs under zero stress might become like a hair trigger under stress - then possibly result in effectively an AD (ND?) situation.

I think too - considering if we are ever faced with the ultimate threat - heaven forbid - then shot placement is everything - and for me anyways, I could imagine being less accurate rather than more, if my trigger is excessively light (for me). So - I want smooth but firm if you will - plenty of control and no wild shots missing the intended target.

IMO the penalty in terms of rapid fire ability will be zilch - but just better control under pressure.

That is, I stress - my own 2c and no one elses! :smile:
 

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You Are Looking For Logical Thought Process?
It's not logical at all but, it's reality.
It is a known fact that lawyers will jump on and use anything that deviates from the "norm" concerning the firearm...choice of ammo...alterations...modifications.
They use the basic ignorance of firearms & ammunition of the general population and (whatever else) to paint the worst possible picture of YOU so that they can win their case.
It's not about what's logical and it's not about "truth" or what is true ~ it's about winning the case & who presents the best case.
A 3# trigger WILL be harder to justify ~ Black Talons WILL probably be harder to Justify than Glaser Safety Slug.
A firearm named "Predator" or "Stalker" could very possibly have a much tougher time in civil court than Centennial.
Why start way down low & have to fight your way back up to even?
Very few people understand ballistics...but EVERYBODY knows what a Skull & Crossbones means...it means DEATH. So the question is...Do you really want your lawyer to hafta try to explain to basically "firearm ignorant people" why his client (you) The Grim Reaper Bringer Of Death has Skull & Crossbones grips on his firearm loaded with Black Talons that just killed somebody in "self~defense" & hafta attempt to explain why you "intentionally altered" your firearm to make your "personal preferred trigger pull" 4# lighter than your local Police are allowed to carry?
It leaves you flayed wide open.
Why take a chance on doing that to yourself?

Of course...the flip side of the coin is that a totally freaky looking 49 year old adult guy with pasty white skin and no nose who loves children (as long as that are male children) can ply little kids with booze...show them porn and admit on national TV that he sleeps in the same bed with them & can be found not guilty of all charges

So...maybe I don't know as much as I think I might. :rofl:
 

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As I understand the "legal" implications of a shooting, the attorney gets little money if the shooting is shown to be intentional AND justified. But, if he can convince a jury that the shooting was "pre-mature", accidental, or that the shooter is a "gun nut" with a hair trigger on his gun, then there is tons of money had from a suit.

In a perfect world justice would always prevail. But in the real world, the most convincing presentation prevails and an attorney who has the potential before him to earn a huge amount of money may grasp at anything to convince an ignorrant jury that the shooter (actually the victim) was looking for trouble. One way to do that is to demonize the person and his equipment. If we give an unscrupulous attorney a little too much to work with, he may very well be able to convice a jury we are the problem.

Another issue to me is, what if we have a light, short trigger, less than 4 lbs, and in the heat of a potentially deadly confrontation, our finger has subconsciously migrated to the trigger? From that point, it doesn't take much for adreneline and stress to unintentionally apply too much force and pull the trigger, either before we were ready or accidentally.

Well that's my .02.
 

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BTW, there is a second benefit to my 20 year relationship with a gunsmith.

My written and documented requests for a 5-pound trigger are long standing. Terry could also testify as an expert witness.

I shoot clean, standard commercial ammunition.

My pistols have large, colored sights for easy sight pictures.

It's too bad, but we have to play the game for after the shooting, as well.
 

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Both of my primary carry guns (Series I Kimbers) have ~3.5lb triggers, and they havent been touched by a 'smith.

I'm gonna have a trigger job done on my mil-spec springer, but I dont need it light, just not so creepy. I'll probably specify 4.25 or so.
 

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My opinion. I feel a deciive DA trigger pull is a more intentional act. And under stress less likely to accidently fire. As long as its a decent smooth pull its o.k. Most PD's have gone to DAO or DA first shot guns. Even NYPD Glocks have heavier trigger pull than standard.
 
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