[TheGreatGonzo]

Greetings from a former resident of the City (Upper East Side). Always good to hear from an MOS. In Mississippi, you will not catch any flack. You are legal AND you are welcome! Right after Katrina, I performed escorts for NYPD, FDNY, and MTA cops and 36 MTA buses. Made my heart warm to see them! The MTA cops were more than a little surprised to find a cop in Mississippi who actually knew who they were! LOL!

As for VSP...believe me, I understand where you are coming from. However, don't condemn the whole agency for a couple of troopers. You know as well as I do that there are some MOS (mostly white shirts, but a few line Officers as well) who will ticket another cop, especially from out-of-state. It was not all that long ago that it was considered to be a "well known fact" that an out-of-state Officer in NYC would get jammed up for carrying. Now you know and I know that was based on just a few MOS...not all of them. I have been stopped by VSP a few times and was never treated with anything but professional courtesy.

 

[ClubATV]

You're 100% correct brother. There are always a few bad apples in the orchard.

 

[P95Carry]

ATV - I am darned sure I have not yet said Hi -

I would like to think you would be hassle-free anywhere and everywhere but - as ever, there will be less helpful bretheren dotted around. You have some other bro's here who may I hope post their thoughts for you.

 

[ecbaatz]

VA Response

(Virginia State Troopers need not responde. NYPD already found out how they treat other P.O.'s trying to help out Katrina victims. )

I am sorry but take offense to this comment. I am not from Virginia either but from Michigan. If the troopers had not been breaking the law (what was the reason for lights ) and causing problems with the excessive speed. I am sure they would have been treated in a different way. Coming back from helping Katrina victims is not an emergency. Yes I know emergencies, I was a firefighter/emt for over 20 years.


Eric

 

[PaulG]

Agree with ecbaatz

Virginia State Troopers are among the most professional law enforcement officers I have ever seen.

During the situation you referred to, the speeding convoy was ticketed after numerous citizens called in to report the high speed, reckless and DANGEROUS driving of the LEO's in question.

As ecbaatz said, where was the emergency that warranted putting the very people the LEO's are sworn to protect at risk?

I have the highest respect for the job law enforcement does but LEO's are not above the law. The LEO's in that convoy disgraced the uniforms they where and should be ashamed.

I applaud the VSP for standing on principle instead of turning a blind eye because the offender was a LEO.

 

[AirForceShooter]

The VSP stood on principal?
Why not just give the offending stressed out NYPD types a talking to?
Why not give them an escort the rest of the way?

Grumbles.

AFS

 

[P95Carry]

This is obviously a slightly (quite) contentious issue.

Just a request/reminder - keep it in check best ya can guys so it doesn't reach ''cop-bashing'' proportions :wink:

 

[PaulG]

An Escort?

They were in police cars with lights and sirens. What would be the purpose of an escort?.....to baby sit them so they don't continue to break the law?

Would the NYPD give a private citizen 'a talking too' if they did the same thing the police did? No, they would have given them a ticket.

The police are not the only people who helped out the Katrina victims. What about the firefighters, medical personnel and other citizens who gave up their time to help out.

I think being 'stressed out' is a poor excuse for putting lives at risk.

I stand by my original comments.

 

[PaulG]

P95Carry

I hope my intentions are not misinterpreted.

As I stated in my original comments, I have the highest respect for LEO's, some of my relatives are in law enforcement.

I appologize if I come across as being anti-LEO. I am not.

 

[FastDraw]

As a law abiding citizen I think I should be able to carry in any state.:frown:

 

[glocksmygun]

Back to the original question yes I carry anywere I go. I have stopped out of state LEO's before who had their CCW with them. As long as they are not rude or not putting people in danger then I don't mind if they have their gun with them. I have been stopped in Ohio before and the Trooper was more upset about how dark my window tint was than he was about my gun.

 

[ClubATV]

Wait a second. We were stopped going to help. The lights were meant to warn other civilians that a convoy was coming and also that we were in a rush to get there ASAP. Also, I used to be an EMT for FDNY before I became an EMT. I was on the list to go as an EMT to help out Katrina vic's.
I understand the whole FD is the "Bravest", PD is the "Finest", and EMS is the "Forgoten". I was once there too.

AFS is absolutely correct. Get on the radio,"Central..Show me escorting the NYPD convoy the rest of the way".

PaulG, did NYPD give and FD or EMS or PD from any other state a summons for 9/11 when they came to help us out? Nope! Don't think so.
We returned the favor when another state was in need.
Yeah, 9/11, I was there. And If I got the second call to go to N.O., I would have told my kids the daddy had to go away for a while, and I would have bounced.

It's called brotherhood. No matter what state you're a Cop, FF, or EMS.
You show me a shield, and I show you love. That's how NYPD works.

 

[ClubATV]

I appologize if I come across as being anti-LEO.....

It really seems that you are.

 

[ClubATV]

As a law abiding citizen I think I should be able to carry in any state.:frown:

I agree. As long as the background check is done the same for every state and meet the critieria for the CP.

 

[woodstock]

I Respect LEO's who respect the law

Quote: "It's called brotherhood. No matter what state you're a Cop, FF, or EMS.
You show me a shield, and I show you love. That's how NYPD works."
That kind of blind "brotherhood" is one reason some departments have problems.

It's a shame you don't believe that NYPD, EMS, etc. should obey the law they're sworn to uphold. I looked and found no news reports of convoys being escorted or stopped on the way TO the gulf coast. The ones I found weree of Passaic and NYPD vehicles being stopped by, and some drivers REFUSING to stop for, a deputy sheriff along I-81 in Virginia.

“Clocked at 95 MPH in the 65 MPH zone, the convoy of about a dozen vehicles was asked to pull over by Augusta County, Virginia Sheriff's Deputy Michael Roane. Six of the New Jersey police sped away without stopping.

Under Virginia law, it is illegal to operate emergency lights when there is no emergency. Moreover, driving 80 MPH on any highway is considered reckless driving and carries a sentence of 12 months in jail, a $2500 fine, a six-month license suspension and possible car confiscation (VA code § 46.2-862).” http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/06/681.asp

I live in Virginia, though I was born in Queens, NY. I expect to be stopped if I disregard the law here or anywhere else. One of your posts spoke of officers returning home after two weeks in field conditions – boo hoo! I spent a career in the Air Force and about eleven years of that overseas for between two and four YEARS per tour and many others in service had it much worse than I. If your local officers stopped me because I was speeding in a hurry to get home after four years away they'd expect me to grow up, pay the ticket, and obey the law. I expect the same of them and they should stop whining about being caught doing something wrong; they start to sound like politicians!

I respect LEO's who don't believe they're above the law; those that feel they're better than the rest of us should have their badges taken away.

 

[P95Carry]

Just a gentle reminder to all, of my Post #4 - make points and opinions but keep it cool :smilez:

 

[dogrunner]

First of all ATV, if in fact you are a LEO you must know that you're covered under HR 218 aka LEOSA. If you have your paperwork you CANNOT be hassled by any LEO for simply carrying. Secondly, if the incident you refer to is the one where the NJ officers were really shinging their backsides while enroute home you really must know they were really out of line. The LAST thing one does is to compromise another officer, endanger the public, and for Gods sake one surely woulden't advertise who they are using marked vehicles.

FYI I speak from experience, the Va. Officers were right, frankly I'd have written tickets till my hands cramped. FYI I am a retired 30 plus year LEO/CLEO....If I received a report of such activity by my folks the price would be a LOT higher than the cost of those tickets.

Those Virginians were and are right!!!

 

[ClubATV]

You guys mean to tell me that you would summons an Officer, in the line of duty?
It's not like they were in civilian clothes and personal vehicles. These were P.O.'s and FDNY FF's and EMT's in uniform and in dept. vehicle rendering aid to the vic's of Katrina.
I cannot believe I'm reading this! OMG!
I can understand if I go to your city and I blow the light or stop sign or even speeding at that, but never in the LOD. Never.
What do you guys do when a bus is rushing a patient to the nearest trauma center and it happens to be in the next town? Would you pull them over and give them a summons?

 

[ClubATV]

Sorry guy's, but this is the wrong site for me. I thought this site was about a common cause and brotherhood?
It just seems like you guys can't wait to write another cop from an out of state agency. Maybe even try to jam them up?
Later.