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Hi everyone,

I play relatively high stakes(not unusual to have thousands of dollars on me) poker at a local casino. No guns allowed obviously and I do not want to risk getting caught and thrown out of this place. So I do not carry there.

I valet my car at this casino every time I go for convenience/safety reasons. Plus it's free for me. I am hesitant to keep a firearm in the car, even locked and bolted in a case, when I know there is going to be a valet man in my car. How would you guys handle this situation? I could install a Fort Knox lockbox and bolt it in 4 corners with the thickest and most secure wire I can fit and hide that behind a seat or something. But I am still hesitant. When I carry I have my firearm on me at all times. If it's not on me it is locked in a safe in my home 100% of the time. My other option would be to set up something in my trunk but that would probably be less secure.

My main concern is being followed home from the casino. This has happened recently in South Florida. I do not want to be followed home and unarmed. What would you guys suggest I do? Thanks
 

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Check with state laws regarding concealed carry. If your state laws do not forbid carry in casinos , their policy cannot prevent you from caring on their property. They can only request that you leave their premises if they see and know that you are carrying. If you don't leave , that will be considered trespassing which is illegal and they can have you arrested. If you leave at their request on your own or escorted calmly by the security you have done nothing illegal. that's why the laws are in Colorado. Check what state and local laws in your area. Federal law is the same in all 50 states. It's the same for every business. Unless your state and local laws specifically forbid Casino carry , it's a business policy not a law.

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If you Valet the car it's in a special parking section. The Valets are in and around there often. If you have a good lockbox or chain and lock, what's the problem locking up the gun. Someone rolling a set of cutting torches through the garage would attract attention. If you are there that much the Valets must know you. A extra $20. or $50. may make them pay attention to your car. YOU WANT TO PLAY, YOU GOT TO PAY.
 

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Cool, thanks guys. I am going to look into some high quality lockboxes.

Here's what I've found so far:
Gunbunker GS-1 | Gunbunker ( I think the CZ PCR is too big for this one)
https://www.amazon.com/Tuffy-303-01-Portable-Safe/dp/B00PWXLCLQ/ref=pd_sxp_redirect
The idea is to mount is were it can't be noticed. Under a seat, in a trunk, etc.... Remember it's not a safe and it's not ment to be. It's ment to slow a thef down. If someone wants it bad enough they can get it. If they see it! Don't let them see it. Also you can find the same type a lot less expensive. I bought one similar at dicks sporting goods for about 25$ holds my Ruger 9e with an extra 17 round with room for other stuff if needed
 

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Check with state laws regarding concealed carry. If your state laws do not forbid carry in casinos , their policy cannot prevent you from caring on their property. They can only request that you leave their premises if they see and know that you are carrying. If you don't leave , that will be considered trespassing which is illegal and they can have you arrested. If you leave at their request on your own or escorted calmly by the security you have done nothing illegal. that's why the laws are in Colorado. Check what state and local laws in your area. Federal law is the same in all 50 states. It's the same for every business. Unless your state and local laws specifically forbid Casino carry , it's a business policy not a law.

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Not necessarily, many times the casinos are on Reservation land and in many if not all cases the Reservations have their own laws. I don't go to casinos so I'm not sure about FL but I know in NC the reservations have their own police and laws, however as far as concealed carry goes they do go by state law and casinos are not on the prohibited list in either NC or FL. In FL if this is the case just don't carry in any of the bars.
 

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The idea is to mount is were it can't be noticed. Under a seat, in a trunk, etc.... Remember it's not a safe and it's not ment to be. It's ment to slow a thef down. If someone wants it bad enough they can get it. If they see it! Don't let them see it. Also you can find the same type a lot less expensive. I bought one similar at dicks sporting goods for about 25$ holds my Ruger 9e with an extra 17 round with room for other stuff if needed
Even WallyWorld has them for far less

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The idea is to mount is were it can't be noticed. Under a seat, in a trunk, etc.... Remember it's not a safe and it's not ment to be. It's ment to slow a thef down. If someone wants it bad enough they can get it. If they see it! Don't let them see it. Also you can find the same type a lot less expensive. I bought one similar at dicks sporting goods for about 25$ holds my Ruger 9e with an extra 17 round with room for other stuff if needed
Even WallyWorld has them for far less

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Most Casion's are located on tribal Indian land, so their laws trump normal state and federal laws.
In my state even with a CC permit, people driving on a US state highway that pass's through tribal land, and are stopped and found to have a firearm on them, the firearm is taken and they get arrested.
 

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Most Casion's are located on tribal Indian land, so their laws trump normal state and federal laws.
In my state even with a CC permit, people driving on a US state highway that pass's through tribal land, and are stopped and found to have a firearm on them, the firearm is taken and they get arrested.
Eh...not true at all.

State and National Highways going through reservation land, are exactly that...State and National Highways.

Tribal PD's do enforce local and state laws on those roads...and they may "confiscate" your firearm for the duration of a traffic stop...but they are required to give it back at the end of the stop as long as it doesn't result in an arrest.
 

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Eh...not true at all.

State and National Highways going through reservation land, are exactly that...State and National Highways.

Tribal PD's do enforce local and state laws on those roads...and they may "confiscate" your firearm for the duration of a traffic stop...but they are required to give it back at the end of the stop as long as it doesn't result in an arrest.
Yeah you think so? Hope everyone else is a lot more careful about driving through tribal Indian land. Been a lot of people who took a drive through Oklahoma's tribal Indian land, who found out that they should have kept their firearms locked in the trunk.
 

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You asked for suggestions. Be careful what you ask for.
  • Stop gambling. You're getting robbed every time you do, because the house always wins. Even if you come out ahead occasionally, it's because a lot of other people got robbed that night.
  • Never go anywhere where you can't take your gun unless you absolutely have to.
  • Never valet your car. I valeted a car once and it was taken on a 100+ mile joyride. And if they do any damage to your car, they will never admit it is their fault. Oh, and they may well steal your gun. If you report it, the cops will probably say you weren't supposed to bring it on casino property anyway. It will be your word against the valet's that the gun got stolen there and not previously.
  • As you say, if you do win big, you may well get followed home and robbed. You might be blind-sided and out-gunned even if you have your gun. Carrying a gun is for worst case protection. Why invite a confrontation?
 

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You asked for suggestions. Be careful what you ask for.
  • Stop gambling. You're getting robbed every time you do, because the house always wins. Even if you come out ahead occasionally, it's because a lot of other people got robbed that night.
  • Never go anywhere where you can't take your gun unless you absolutely have to.
  • Never valet your car. I valeted a car once and it was taken on a 100+ mile joyride. And if they do any damage to your car, they will never admit it is their fault. Oh, and they may well steal your gun. If you report it, the cops will probably say you weren't supposed to bring it on casino property anyway. It will be your word against the valet's that the gun got stolen there and not previously.
  • As you say, if you do win big, you may well get followed home and robbed. You might be blind-sided and out-gunned even if you have your gun. Carrying a gun is for worst case protection. Why invite a confrontation?
I spend most of my entertainment money on Guns, Horses, and the Grandkids. That's my choice! it doesn't mean my losses will be any more or less at the end of the year.
I think its smart to use a Valet, It has the OP entering and exiting his car in a well lit public area, as said above if you treat the Valet well I have found them to be trustworthy, and if the OP uses some kind of discreet holster in his trunk, I see no reason not to put a gun in a lock box in there. I personally use a lunch bag to move my gun from trunk to interior, but the OP will have to find what does not look out of place for him. [ maybe a laptop bag, or small brief case.] I use an ammo box as a lock box. it does not look out of place bolted to the floor of my trunk or the cross bed toolbox in a truck. but there are good lock boxes that will blend into a car trunk. And some will even go under the carpeted trunk liner. Just find a way to be discreet when arming up, and the OP will be fine. DR
 

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Eh...not true at all.

State and National Highways going through reservation land, are exactly that...State and National Highways.

Tribal PD's do enforce local and state laws on those roads...and they may "confiscate" your firearm for the duration of a traffic stop...but they are required to give it back at the end of the stop as long as it doesn't result in an arrest.
A friend lost his gun and spent 48 hrs in a cell on tribal lands because he had a loaded handgun in the occupant compartment of his car as he drove on a State Highway that ran through Tribal land in OK. Those Indians do not play well with others.
 
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I have a 1986 Chevrolet Chevette that still runs, but I don't think it'll be going to any valet parking lots any time soon. I wonder if they would appreciate the deer blood on the back seat?
 

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Come to Mississippi to gamble.


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Here's my tip for valet parking:

I have a small safe and very thick wire that I have confidence in.
When I hand my keys to the valet he/she is not getting them all.
I use a carabiner clip to separate my safe key, spare car key and my house key.
When I get out of the car I unclip them and keep them with me.

That way they don't have the safe key and if they lose them I still
have the keys I need.

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Not knowing which casino you visit, I will say tribal law applies on its lands and properties.

If firearms are NOT prohibited outside the casino, I would suggest stopping at the closest location to the valet drop off and securing your gun by the means of your choice in the trunk. Do the opposite when leaving. Pick a well lit and open area.
 
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Something to consider, OP:

Most reservations don't allow you to carry anywhere on their land without a letter of consent from the tribal leader or chief of the tribal police. Tribal leaders and chiefs of police, from my experience, are usually tied into their casinos in some way, officially or unofficially. If you gamble that much and are well known by the casino employees, pit bosses, etc. I would suggest contacting the tribal leader/chief of police (Whatever applies) and request such a letter. If you're well known at the casino and gamble thousands, I'm going to believe they want to keep your business and want you to feel safe.
 
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