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Perhaps you've seen this video today. It's all over the news.
http://wm.kare.gannett.edgestreams.net/news/news/62606_128016_casino_kare.wmv?213436524624

I've watched it several times, trying to articulate what lessons lie here.
I'm shocked at the way this goes down - shooters technique and his brazen manner, but I'm a little naive.
If I were a bystander in this situation, I'd have gone for cover quickly and been at ready position.
From cover I'd think I could have easily taken him out, but I'm not sure if I would have acted on this.

I'd like to hear what others think of this video.

Also, my apologies to the forum if this is out of line.
 

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guess the admins have to approve first.

Well the link doesn't show yet(?).
Maybe the admins have to approve first, or maybe I posted incorrectly.
I'll check back later.
 

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Entirely predictable activity on the part of a gangbanger. Certain casinos in Vegas have heavy security and others not so much. I'd like to have seen that dummy try that stunt at Caesars.

That having been said, what the video shows is that this stuff can happen at any public venue. I'm not concerned at all if he hit other bangers, but those bullets that missed probably wizzed across the casino with "to whom it may concern" on them.

If in the open go prone, if near cover use it.

Depending on the casino there is armed security nearby, a number in plainclothes. If you whip out that CCW weapon will you get drilled by security in the craziness of the gunfight?

I guess the best advice...don't be there. Which isn't a real answer at all. You do what you have to do.
 

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With badge- if you seem out of place-GET OUT OF THE PLACE!

Not much to say, a group of homies started a tussle. If you find yourself "there", you have to either leave, be prepared to get hurt, or do some preemptive hurting of your own. Bad scene all round.....:twak:
 

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The link tho in text on first post does not show for me - and the second link brings up a save option for a small file - not a vid. Obviously some folks can view this.

We are trying to be very selective on what vid's we have here - tho if content is relevant to SD and not too ''strong'' then of course it has value for discussion.

I cannot as yet know the content so we'll leave this standing for now - until maybe another mod who can view makes a decision.

If anyone has another viable link please post it.
 

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P95Carry said:
The link tho in text on first post does not show for me - and the second link brings up a save option for a small file - not a vid. Obviously some folks can view this.

We are trying to be very selective on what vid's we have here - tho if content is relevant to SD and not too ''strong'' then of course it has value for discussion.

I cannot as yet know the content so we'll leave this standing for now - until maybe another mod who can view makes a decision.
Hmmmm.. I was able to get the link right above my post to play, Chris. Not "graphic", per se- no spraying blood, screams, or usual Saturday matinee fodder, in other words.

Homie A throws a punch at Homie B(or 3rd party-can't tell). Homie B appears to be coming from the casino into the lobby, and pulls his piece and starts firing. One down immediately, falling around the corner, another limping off screen, the rest scattering. Homie B and his buddy (?) are skip-dancing off center screen, with Homie B waving his piece in the classic Birdman Weaponsight-style.
 

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Thx Rob - sounds reasonable so far.

I have a particular download system and very rarely these types of links are a problem - all I see is an asx or wmx type mini file - and that's as far as it gets!
 

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This is typical of these guys. Just started shooting in the area of the casino. When this goes down just get out as fast as you can.
 

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Since I can't carry in Las Vegas, I'd be avoiding the group to begin with and then seeking cover, on the floor, probably behind some of those one armed bandits with their fat bellies of coin. Unless those are the card type.

Seems like the gangbangers like to shoot very high or very low.

Hope they catch him and put in in a pair of pants that fit right......maybe with a stripe down the leg...
 

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I can hear it now (CNN)...

"He was abused and mollested as a child..."

"Came from a broken home..."

"Parents were (insert drug of choice) addicts..."


A punk is a punk


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From the short clip I saw on the news it was definitely a group of "homies" that most people would not go near anywhere. It was the complete stereotypical scene of a group of 8-10 perps and a little fighting and a lot of running and poor technique to boot.

Side question, is it legal to carry in casinos?
 

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I don't kow what you will learn from the video , but it seems ok to post it. I guess you can get that practice and training would have made this punk a better shot, but not much else.
 

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It is amazing if he even hit anything with all that crotch holding and hopping he is doing.

I would assume firearms in casinos would be illegal.
 

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I don't kow what you will learn from the video , but it seems ok to post it. I guess you can get that practice and training would have made this punk a better shot, but not much else.
I've learned some things from this video:
1. never underestimate someone's potential for violence.
2. even a fool with a gun can be deadly.
3. a seemingly silly dispute, which normally would escalate to a fistfight, can quickly escalate to a gunfight.
4. yes, of course, skill is very important and I hone my handgun skills as best I can. But a lucky shot can still kill you.

I think what this video captures is not extraordinary. Sadly, this kind of senseless violence occurs regularly. The only thing that made this newsworthy was that it was captured on video.

disregard some of the specifics in this scenario, e.g., casino, bar, time of day.
this could happen anywhere anytime.
at the supermarket, gas station, gym, etc...

situational awareness is important all the time.
perhaps none of this is new to a lot of you, but I can get too comfortable in my daily travels.
this raises my vigilance a notch and that is a good thing.
 

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In addition to what Steve db said, I would also point out how fast a shooting can occur. In this case a seemingly calm situation escalated to a shooting in a few short seconds.
Reason #478 to keep one in the chamber, and have easy access to your firearm.
 

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Just for everyone's information... the Silver Nugget casino is a crummy dive of a place in crummy North Las Vegas. Not that something like this couldn't happen anywhere but when you hang out where the scum hangs out, you are definitely opening yourself up to greater risk of entanglement.

On a similar note: a couple of co-workers were victims in a bar holdup recently (two guys with guns). Well guess what? It wasn't in TGI Fridays, that's for sure. It was in a "local" bar, where there is only one bartender at 2 o'clock in the morning... well... further explanation is not necessary.

Don't hang out in places like this or if you do, please realize what doors you have opened.

Nick
 

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I work casino security in Iowa, it is illegal to carry on the casino here unless you have the written permission of the Iowa Racing & Gaming Commission, in other words, very few DCI (Department of Criminal Investigations) officers carry, and no one else (legally). I've often wondered just what I'd do in a situation, I've been told by superiors to run and scream like a girl. I don't see many other options.
 
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