CCW Badges???
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While I do not hold people in total ridicule for owning 1 , I would not. I see to many problems with people either assuming I am LEO or falsely accusing me of claiming LEO status. Also as a former LEO , I can see Officers not looking favorably on someone having a CCW badge. Finally I can see problems if you ever have to go to court, and a lawyer using this against ya.
I've seen them before. I think I even mentioned it in a thread on the threat of the possibility of incompetent training.
I say avoid them like the plague. Why in God's name would any CCW holder want such a badge?
Well the first thing that comes to mind is a desire to play cowboy and emulate an authority figure. You know, "citizen's arrest". Be part of the "posse".
Now it's true that the more guns out there in the hands of the right people, the less crime there will be. In a sense the gun owners of this country have always provided a protective shield of sorts for even the most liberal anti-2nd amendment extremist. But it's a passive kind of protection like an alarm system or putting better locks on your doors, not an active one like a team of security guards.
If you think you're some kind of official or cowboy or "Concealed Carry Hero" I think you seriously need to sit down and reconsider what you think you're doing. That's something I worked out for myself before I started this whole mess. The fact is that at the present time I have neither adequate training nor legal protection for attempting to "save" another person.
Now that's not to say that if I am walking by and I see some tattooed piece of trash wearing an orange jumpsuit stenciled with "County Jail" on the back with the remains of handcuffs on his wrists beating the living daylights out of your sister with a tire iron that I'm not going to shoot him. I'd get involved in that situation whether I was armed or not because I couldn't face myself in the mirror the next day otherwise.
But the point is I am not going to go looking for that guy. And you know what, if I see two men fighting and I do not know who is who, I will get the hell out of there and call the police. I'm not going to go running around trying to save people unless it's a way out there in left field situation. I will let the professionals handle it whenever possible.
The fact is I'm not that noble. If I wanted to save people, I'd have become a soldier, an LEO, a paramedic, or a fireman. Thank God everyone's not a little weasel like I am.
And another thing: I have a legal obligation to be concealed, as in you cannot tell at all I am carrying. I don't agree with it, but you know what tough nuggets I have to obey it. Why on earth would I want a badge that announces to the world what I have in my right front pocket?
Avoid these things.
Now what I would like to see is a wallet made for CCW holders that would display both forms of ID simultaneously. That I could use.
I say avoid them like the plague. Why in God's name would any CCW holder want such a badge?
Well the first thing that comes to mind is a desire to play cowboy and emulate an authority figure. You know, "citizen's arrest". Be part of the "posse".
Now it's true that the more guns out there in the hands of the right people, the less crime there will be. In a sense the gun owners of this country have always provided a protective shield of sorts for even the most liberal anti-2nd amendment extremist. But it's a passive kind of protection like an alarm system or putting better locks on your doors, not an active one like a team of security guards.
If you think you're some kind of official or cowboy or "Concealed Carry Hero" I think you seriously need to sit down and reconsider what you think you're doing. That's something I worked out for myself before I started this whole mess. The fact is that at the present time I have neither adequate training nor legal protection for attempting to "save" another person.
Now that's not to say that if I am walking by and I see some tattooed piece of trash wearing an orange jumpsuit stenciled with "County Jail" on the back with the remains of handcuffs on his wrists beating the living daylights out of your sister with a tire iron that I'm not going to shoot him. I'd get involved in that situation whether I was armed or not because I couldn't face myself in the mirror the next day otherwise.
But the point is I am not going to go looking for that guy. And you know what, if I see two men fighting and I do not know who is who, I will get the hell out of there and call the police. I'm not going to go running around trying to save people unless it's a way out there in left field situation. I will let the professionals handle it whenever possible.
The fact is I'm not that noble. If I wanted to save people, I'd have become a soldier, an LEO, a paramedic, or a fireman. Thank God everyone's not a little weasel like I am.
And another thing: I have a legal obligation to be concealed, as in you cannot tell at all I am carrying. I don't agree with it, but you know what tough nuggets I have to obey it. Why on earth would I want a badge that announces to the world what I have in my right front pocket?
Avoid these things.
Now what I would like to see is a wallet made for CCW holders that would display both forms of ID simultaneously. That I could use.
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Be Careful How You Talk About Them On Line
BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE will hunt you down like a dog!!!
You don't want the INTERNET DETECTIVES coming after ya do you?
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BTW I voted: Not for me. I won't harrass you for having one though.
We're living in America.
Everybody has the right to dig a hole for themselves & then jump in.
BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE will hunt you down like a dog!!!
You don't want the INTERNET DETECTIVES coming after ya do you?
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BTW I voted: Not for me. I won't harrass you for having one though.
We're living in America.
Everybody has the right to dig a hole for themselves & then jump in.
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This subject pops up on packing.org every few months. It seems the overall feeling id a big NO!
My thought is that if you were supposed to carry one, the state where you got your permit would require you to buy one.......... Not some badge manufacturer out after aq few bucks extra!
My thought is that if you were supposed to carry one, the state where you got your permit would require you to buy one.......... Not some badge manufacturer out after aq few bucks extra!
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Why advertise? Doesn't concealed mean concealed? I have heard of idots actually wearing them on thier belt like PD badges, while concealing the firearm. Not only does that open you up A) charges of impersonating a law enforcement officer,depending on local laws/ordinances, but much more importantly, B) being targeted by various criminal enterprises who love offing anyone with a badge. If such a thing was legitimate, they would be sold WITH the permit BY the state in question. As not one single state ISSUES such tin shields, I cannot fathom any such use for them whatesoever. Attempting to use one to ID yourself to PD during a "situation" may get you in deeper doo-doo than you were before!
If you want a real badge, see what you local, county, or state police have for hiring reserve officers, attend the academy, and do some volunteer work, as well as quality training in many avenues such as firearms, retention, driving, and arrest techniques.
I don't automatically call CCW badge users "wannabes", but that is what they will be tagged with. Bad idea all around. The other idea of drivers license/CCW permit being in the same folder is good - I set up my wife that way. One, it gives you a handy item to hand to police, and two, it lets you hand over your regular wallet to a robber without losing that ID....(and what were you doing in Condition White, anyway?!?!?) Also, more importatnly, it allows for a slim ID to be carried discreetly, just as your firearm, so women in tighter/fashionably pocketless clothing can still retain ID and permit.
That's my take on the whole subject.
If you want a real badge, see what you local, county, or state police have for hiring reserve officers, attend the academy, and do some volunteer work, as well as quality training in many avenues such as firearms, retention, driving, and arrest techniques.
I don't automatically call CCW badge users "wannabes", but that is what they will be tagged with. Bad idea all around. The other idea of drivers license/CCW permit being in the same folder is good - I set up my wife that way. One, it gives you a handy item to hand to police, and two, it lets you hand over your regular wallet to a robber without losing that ID....(and what were you doing in Condition White, anyway?!?!?) Also, more importatnly, it allows for a slim ID to be carried discreetly, just as your firearm, so women in tighter/fashionably pocketless clothing can still retain ID and permit.
That's my take on the whole subject.
I have to agree with what Rocky said. I assume the reason for having one of these would be able to flash it and say "Don't worry ma'am, I'm a CCW holder and I'm here to protect you". Seems like this is a good way to end up with a charge of impersonating an officer or something like that. I would never get one of these.
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I don't think they are a good idea, too many ways to be viewed in the heat of the moment. One example is a guy was robbing an eating place a few miles from here and had everyone laying on the floor while doing the deed. As the BG was leaving the badge of a off duty cop caught his eye and he shot him saying here is one for the hommies!!! Its just risky buisness from all views to appear as LEO.
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Wannabe Cop items.
That's why it's called concealed carry. What on earth would anyone need a badge for if they have their license? :shrug:
That's why it's called concealed carry. What on earth would anyone need a badge for if they have their license? :shrug:
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One Thing I Really DO Like...while we are on the subject of "badges" is the idea of the "around the neck" badge case type wallet.
You know....with the bead chain?
I wear one that I made for myself ~ No Badge...just a plain black "snap open" leather case.
Mine is basically just a "heavy duty" very thin "neck wallet" on Stainless steel bead chain.
Once it dawned on me that I never actually needed 3/4 of the "junk" in my regular wallet on a daily basis ~ I made myself a wallet type case & I wear it hidden under my shirt.
I just keep two major credit cards in there ~ Emergency Cash ~ a few state LTCs ~ Drivers License ~ Copy of Birth Certificate...My alarm code pass card ~ And a spare house key ~ health provider card ~ and that's about it.
I hate lugging around a fat, bulky, wallet every time I leave the house & the case has been working out great for me.
You know....with the bead chain?
I wear one that I made for myself ~ No Badge...just a plain black "snap open" leather case.
Mine is basically just a "heavy duty" very thin "neck wallet" on Stainless steel bead chain.
Once it dawned on me that I never actually needed 3/4 of the "junk" in my regular wallet on a daily basis ~ I made myself a wallet type case & I wear it hidden under my shirt.
I just keep two major credit cards in there ~ Emergency Cash ~ a few state LTCs ~ Drivers License ~ Copy of Birth Certificate...My alarm code pass card ~ And a spare house key ~ health provider card ~ and that's about it.
I hate lugging around a fat, bulky, wallet every time I leave the house & the case has been working out great for me.
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Not for me. Kinda defeats the whole notion of "Concealed Carry Weapon" concept. Nobody is supposed to know, right? They'd have to re-issue all of us new permits that are CCWM....Concealed Carry Weapon, Maybe! Ole Bumper can relate to the "misidentification"...we were once private investigators with...get this "American Bureau of Investigation"....I'll let you guess who we got mistaken for while out on a "Domestic" case.....ah yes, we did have our moments!
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I think we've missed something here guys. I don't think it would be a good idea to carry it visibly, but if you are holding a gun in your hand when the police arrive, it might help to identify you as the good guy.
I just read an article about how undercover police need to show ID when back-up arrives; their colleagues have no way to know if they are a good guy or bad guy. It just made me think, it might relieve the tension a bit, if you have a "badge" visible for the police.
Having said that, I still don't plan to get a badge; but some kind of ID might be a good thing.
I just read an article about how undercover police need to show ID when back-up arrives; their colleagues have no way to know if they are a good guy or bad guy. It just made me think, it might relieve the tension a bit, if you have a "badge" visible for the police.
Having said that, I still don't plan to get a badge; but some kind of ID might be a good thing.
One of the last things I'd want to do is "impersonate a law enforcement officer" in front of a bunch of law enforcement officers! Your call, but it strikes me as a b-a-a-d idea . . .
My plan, should the unthinkable happen and I have to draw and/or use my CCW in self-defense: After the violence is past, maintain the sidearm at "low ready;" upon arrival of the cavalry, carefully set it down, raise both hands and step away. It's their ballgame, at that point. I'll then follow their commands, as they take charge of the situation & scene.
Could there be problems? Of course. On the other hand, waving a badge without actually being a LEO may not be the best or brightest move, either!
My plan, should the unthinkable happen and I have to draw and/or use my CCW in self-defense: After the violence is past, maintain the sidearm at "low ready;" upon arrival of the cavalry, carefully set it down, raise both hands and step away. It's their ballgame, at that point. I'll then follow their commands, as they take charge of the situation & scene.
Could there be problems? Of course. On the other hand, waving a badge without actually being a LEO may not be the best or brightest move, either!
I also seem to remember they got us into Mexico when we would otherwise not have not been allowed to go. But that's another story... :wink:Prospector said:
I voted that they were posers that I hold with contempt. That being said I also added another option to the poll, "They are illegal in my state". In Arizona, they are illegal to wear, period. They will yank your permit and put your little arse in jail. At least they will after the police officer stops laughing. They are novelty and if you want one, that's okay. Just don't ever try to "use" it. Leave it at home....
In the place of a badge which I am in no way for, a CCW Standardization between states would help so maybe in the background you see clearly CCW or whatever the proper term is. If I am traveling in Texas and get stopped at least there is an ID the officer may recognize and say I am a good guy.
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People who opt to carry a CCW badge are generally the same people who obtained a CCW permit for use as a status symbol. I hold them in contempt.
These are the same people who believe that since they've been authorized by the state to carry a concealed firearm, they've suddenly become an armed civilian version of law enforcement who is now obligated to place themselves and others at risk by watching over and protecting the sheep. Thats why they feel the badge is necessary, to impersonate law enforcement. I hold them in contempt.
Concealed means concealed, you don't need no stinkin' badge. And if you want to play cop, join the academy.
These are the same people who believe that since they've been authorized by the state to carry a concealed firearm, they've suddenly become an armed civilian version of law enforcement who is now obligated to place themselves and others at risk by watching over and protecting the sheep. Thats why they feel the badge is necessary, to impersonate law enforcement. I hold them in contempt.
Concealed means concealed, you don't need no stinkin' badge. And if you want to play cop, join the academy.
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