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Did my renewal class this week too. One guy had a Sig 9mm and shot it, then could not get it to fire. He had put a 45acp mag in it. Another guy shot the ground in front of him. And the hits on the targets, OH MY GOD. Most folks can not shoot. People learn to shoot. Get to know your gun, PLEASE!!

I now step off the soap box. :smoke23:
 

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AMEN!!!!.... There is ALLOT of scary people out there.. Specially with the shortage of ammo, people are not just going out and shooting,..
 

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Did my renewal class this week too. One guy had a Sig 9mm and shot it, then could not get it to fire. He had put a 45acp mag in it. Another guy shot the ground in front of him. And the hits on the targets, OH MY GOD. Most folks can not shoot. People learn to shoot. Get to know your gun, PLEASE!!

I now step off the soap box. :smoke23:
You've got that right! I was at the range a few days ago, there was a guy next to me (I won't call him a ninja, but......) who actually put not one round, but THREE in my target. :hand1: I know this because they happened while I was re-loading!

Scary is all I have to say.
 

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You've got that right! I was at the range a few days ago, there was a guy next to me (I won't call him a ninja, but......) who actually put not one round, but THREE in my target. :hand1: I know this because they happened while I was re-loading!
That happened to me at my CCW class quals. In Kansas we shoot 25 shots at an FBI 'bottle' target. Inside the bottle counts as a hit. I had 26 holes in my target, and , of course, the 26th hole was OUTSIDE the bottle. Sheesh!!!
 

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I'm almost afraid to ask......

Did my renewal class this week too. One guy had a Sig 9mm and shot it, then could not get it to fire. He had put a 45acp mag in it. Another guy shot the ground in front of him. And the hits on the targets, OH MY GOD. Most folks can not shoot. People learn to shoot. Get to know your gun, PLEASE!!

I now step off the soap box. :smoke23:
Were their permits renewed???:dead:
 

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I had a few of those in my class. No a.d.s but lots people trying to load the wrong ammo in the wrong gun. It was incredible, awfully incredible.
 

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People always like to run down cops for not being able to shoot. I will admit that most of the cops I work with don't shoot as well as I would like them to, and that goes for almost every department I worked for.

However, I've taken a couple of CCW classes that involved live fire. In my experience the average CHP applicant is a worse shot than the average cop.

That said, in my experience, the average private security guard or corrections officer is a worse shot than the average CHP applicant.

In general, my experience has been that people who carry guns, professionally or otherwise, can't shoot as well as they should be albe to. There are, of course, exceptions in every category.

The problem is that if we make the tests and qualifications hard enough that only people who really know what they are doing can pass, we start denying people their rights. Its really a no win situation.
 

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Yep, taking the CCW class in FL was a real eye opening experience for me. The practical portion consisted of firing two rounds of .22 short (from the instructor's revolver) into a cardboard box from 10' away. There wasn't even a target on the cardboard.

This is one of the reasons I'm going for my NRA instructor's card. I know I can do a MUCH better job.
 

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Interresting. When I did my qualifying for my permit last year, the worst shot was a 75+ year old woman who had a tendency to limp-wrist her Glock 17 such that she was having FTFs. She still scored well enough at the two closest ranges to pass the test with room to spare. I was actually surprised that the group (over 50 people) did as well as they did!
 

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I'm somewhat stunned by the reports here. Am I that naive? I was first trained in the USMC many years ago and have spent a lot of time learning to improve my shooting ability and firearm knowledge. I wouldn't even have thought about applying for a CCW permit unless I was pretty confident in my abilities. I even recently completed a safety course that I felt was a great refresher. Can't say I learned anything new, but it was still worthwhile IMO. How can anyone take such a important step inadequately prepared? Seems like taking an Indy race car for a few high speed laps before learning how to drive. Don't misunderstand, I certainly support 2A rights but shouldn't we be responsible?
 

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I'm somewhat stunned by the reports here. Am I that naive? I was first trained in the USMC many years ago and have spent a lot of time learning to improve my shooting ability and firearm knowledge. I wouldn't even have thought about applying for a CCW permit unless I was pretty confident in my abilities. I even recently completed a safety course that I felt was a great refresher. Can't say I learned anything new, but it was still worthwhile IMO. How can anyone take such a important step inadequately prepared? Seems like taking an Indy race car for a few high speed laps before learning how to drive. Don't misunderstand, I certainly support 2A rights but shouldn't we be responsible?
Naive... maybe a little. In my CHL class there were some who qualified but only by the Grace of God and the help of the instuctor. One ladies hands were shaking so bad she barely passed.
 

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This is one of the main reasons why I don't shoot at ranges any longer. If I had a dime for everytime I have had a loaded gun pointed at me while at the range!! I love being able to shoot on my own land now. The requirements have changed a lot in NC since I have had my permit, we never had to fire, and now it is required and I think it is good. I believe just like police officers permit holders need to qualify in order to keep their permits. Our renewal here is all about money, no shooting or tests once you have the actual permit, but as I said I think it would be a good idea.

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Scary, ain't it! And these people are walking the streets carrying weapons - armed and very dangerous. Confirms my worst nightmares...and here I thought that I was the only one "scared" by these people...
 

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I don't remember any such events when I got my AZ permit or when I got my FL permit. The AZ class was interesting, as there was a woman who had a hard time putting rounds anywhere on the target paper during the practice session, but shot the heart out of the target during the actual qualification.

The FL shooters were not as accurate as the AZ shooters, but still all hit the vital zones. I remember the instructor telling me to stop aiming using the sights and just point and shoot (as I was taking too much time lining up the shots).
 

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I'm somewhat stunned by the reports here. Am I that naive? I was first trained in the USMC many years ago and have spent a lot of time learning to improve my shooting ability and firearm knowledge. I wouldn't even have thought about applying for a CCW permit unless I was pretty confident in my abilities. I even recently completed a safety course that I felt was a great refresher. Can't say I learned anything new, but it was still worthwhile IMO. How can anyone take such a important step inadequately prepared? Seems like taking an Indy race car for a few high speed laps before learning how to drive. Don't misunderstand, I certainly support 2A rights but shouldn't we be responsible?
The biggest flaw you're making is that you aren't recognizing that there are those people who can shoot; those who say that they can shoot; and those who only wish they could shoot.

Those of us who can shoot forget about the other 2 categories most of the time until faced with a raw shooter with no clue what they are doing. Those who like to talk about how great a shooter they are don't have time to remember the truth OR that there are others who are worse. The last group has no clue what shooting is, be it good or bad. The result is that the cold hard fact that a lot of shooters are lousy shots tends to jump up and bite us on occasion.
 

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These messages remind me of when I first qualified. There were two of us at the time qualifying. I had my G26 and the other man in the next aisle had a .22 handgun. He had more than his fair share of misfires, etc. and I could see the range officer was giving him more than enough time to complete the qualifications in the required time limits. I'm almost certain that my buddy in the next aisle added a few extra holes to my target. I suppose I should have thanked him under the circumstances. But I didn't want to appear out of line since this was my first time for my permit qualifications.

I honestly wonder how many other people there are out there with CCW permits who really shouldn't have qualified in the first place. It makes me wonder all the same.
 

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Some people are irresponsible due to the fact that they get a gun and and shoot a couple of shots and think they are experts. They are not gun people who practice.
 

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After the written test at my class we took the range test. I was apprehensive. Some of the students needed help loading their firearms. I used that range to practice until I had the chance to go to a private club. What a big difference. I am much more comfortable now.
 

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The biggest flaw you're making is that you aren't recognizing that there are those people who can shoot; those who say that they can shoot; and those who only wish they could shoot.

Those of us who can shoot forget about the other 2 categories most of the time until faced with a raw shooter with no clue what they are doing. Those who like to talk about how great a shooter they are don't have time to remember the truth OR that there are others who are worse. The last group has no clue what shooting is, be it good or bad. The result is that the cold hard fact that a lot of shooters are lousy shots tends to jump up and bite us on occasion.
How right you are!! I was in a gunshop a few months ago when a guy came in all excited with his target. He had been to the range with a used scoped rifle that he had bought from the shop and was telling everyone that the rifle was a "tack driver". He was really proud of his 1 inch groups fired from a bench rest with a scoped rifle at 25 feet. Not even 25 yards but 25 feet.
 

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I'm going for my first NRA handgun safety course with range qualification this weekend. I hope I can some day make it to the level everyone here claims to be. I understand some of these people being talked about are probably CC'ers that never practice and seek out additional training (and shame on them)! But I feel sorry for these people getting a dressing down who are n00bs like I am (and like I imagine we all were at some time) trying to get to the point to where all you seasoned vets are. Hopefully they don't see some of these comments and give up. I hope they ignore all the people making fun of them and focus on their own progression of getting better instead of focusing on why the excellent marksman next to them is teasing them.
 
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