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Chemical spray used in another PA robbery
By THE ENTERPRISE
October 9, 2009
Posted: October 9, 2009, 1:32 PM CDT

Port Arthur Police have arrested another person who used a chemical spray, this time it was mace, in an attempted robbery that mimicked three robberies on Monday.
About 8 a.m. Friday morning, officers were called to the H.E.B. at 3401 Gulfway on the report of a robbery, according to a police department news release.
A suspect had struck and then sprayed a 65-year-old woman with what police say was mace while trying to steal her purse, according to a police department news release.
But the woman resisted and raised the alarm, which forced the suspect to flee, according to a police department news release.
With information from witnesses, police were able to arrest the suspect and others involved in the robbery, according to a police department news release.
Two Port Arthur teens were arrested Monday in connection with three aggravated robberies.
Port Arthur Police say Hakeem Fagan Winn, 17, and Eddie Davon Keller, 19, used pepper spray to disable their victims.

So, now OC and Mace will be banned? This is the first I have heard of this sort of robbery. Are the crooks poor?No gun? Maybe this is a kind-gentle type of robbery. This city is close to me, a real cesspool.
 

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IIRC, it's a felony to use chemical sprays as an offensive weapon in NC. So I'm assuming it happens more than we think.
 

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this happened here in Spokane the other day:

Baskin Robbins robbed with a spray can - KXLY.com: News, Weather and Sports for Spokane, WA and Coeur d'Alene, ID |

Baskin Robbins robbed with a spray can
Posted: Oct 09, 2009 8:29 AM Updated: Oct 09, 2009 11:59 AM

SPOKANE -- A man armed with a spray can robbed the South Hill Baskin Robbins Thursday night and got away with cash.

The clerk at the Baskin Robbins in the 1200 block of South Grand told police a man walked into the store alone, pointed a black canister with a red nozzle at her and demanded money.

The employee gave the man an undisclosed amount of money, saying she was afraid of being sprayed with a chemical agent.

The robber took off on foot with a green canvas bag.

He is described as a younger white man, about 5 feet 10 inches tall with a thin build and scruffy facial hair.

Anyone with information about this robbery is asked to call 242-TIPS.
 

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If you carry a firearm, you should also have some pepper spray. If you have some pepper spray, you should have tried using it in some wind...this tells you how it 'really' works and allows you to sample its effects as the blow back hits you. Why is this important? Well, if you don't know its effects, how are you going to react when it hits you in a 'real' situation?
If some idiot sprays me in an attempt to rob me (if he can get that close), I'm fairly certain I can 'point shoot' with spray in my eyes...:yup: (Man, that stuff really burns.:rant:)
 

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Agree.
Though it obviously hurt like heck, I consider the OC training I received as some of the most valuable I've had to date. We were sprayed, then forced to engage both H2H and with Airsoft weapons while under effect.
 

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If you carry a firearm, you should also have some pepper spray. If you have some pepper spray, you should have tried using it in some wind...this tells you how it 'really' works and allows you to sample its effects as the blow back hits you. Why is this important? Well, if you don't know its effects, how are you going to react when it hits you in a 'real' situation?
If some idiot sprays me in an attempt to rob me (if he can get that close), I'm fairly certain I can 'point shoot' with spray in my eyes...:yup: (Man, that stuff really burns.:rant:)
Amazing how this thread came up. I was watching some "Wildest Police Chases" or something 2 nights ago and saw a sheriff walk up to a parked truck on the side of the road. A drunk driver was sleeping. When the LEO tried to wake him up the drunk starting fighting and hitting the LOE. When the LEO backed away the drunk starting walking toward him. Despite repeating warnings and drawing his weapon, the drunk kept walking toward the LEO. The LEO pulled out pepper spray with his weak hand and sprayed the drunk. It disabled him and then LEO was able to arrest him. Smart thinking on the LEO to use less-than deadly force to resolve the situation.

It really got me thinking. If I was in the same situation (as a NON-LEO), without pepper spray, I would be forced to shoot the guy (I think). I have no desire to shoot him, but I don't want to stand there and be his punching bag.

Now to my other thoughts....how do you carry pepper spray, your concealed weapon, maybe a 2nd clip, flashlight, and edged weapon without looking like you have a LEO occupational belt on! I am not trying to model clothes on a runway fashion show while concealing, but when I am with customers, I do want to keep all of this protection discreet.
 

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Now to my other thoughts....how do you carry pepper spray, your concealed weapon, maybe a 2nd clip, flashlight, and edged weapon without looking like you have a LEO occupational belt on! I am not trying to model clothes on a runway fashion show while concealing, but when I am with customers, I do want to keep all of this protection discreet.
I'd be interested in responses to this too.
 

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I'd be interested in responses to this too.
I do so most every day.

Today I wore the following in such a manner:

* Right side IWB holster w/Colt Defender at 3 o'clock
* Folding knife clipped to my right rear pocket as inserted to the right most corner
* Wallet in left rear pocket
* 1 ten round magazine in mag holster on belt at left side at 8 o'clock
* 1 can of Aerko Freeze +P 'LEO' size OC/CS spray as carried/concealed in an open bottom expanding clam shell design type universal fit cell phone carrier
* LG 'Lotus' cellphone in left front pant pocket (for ease of access with my off-hand)
* Keyring stowed in right front pant pocket

This is my pretty much everyday norm and mode of carry.

- Janq
 

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For me it's Glock 19 in a Crossbreed supertuck at 3:00, fox 2 1/2 oz
at 8:00, xtra mag at 9:30, cell phone 11:00, knife left rear pocket or left front depending on pants, wallet rt rear pocket, Surefire e2d defender in left front if wearing cargo shorts or cargo long pants, keys in front rt.
 

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Many OC sprays can be had with clips on them. I can carry my gun AND my spray IWB with no problem. I do sometimes leave the spare mag and knife behind if I have to look neat and less lumpy though.
I have on occasion worn a small OC on a neck chain as well.
 

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Maverick68;1331385 It really got me thinking. If I was in the same situation (as a NON-LEO) said:
This is the reason that I always carry OC. I have various size canisters to accommodate any situation. If all you have is a hammer every problem looks like a nail. I want to be able to meet force with the appropriate force.
 

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Xader whose saying we can't and don't wear a shirt or t-shirt whilst covered.
We're civilians. It's cops who wear utility belts and they carry their gear openly with far more than what we've reported.

- Janq
 

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I am Batman! Well I feel like it more everyday! :wink:

Handgun G19 either OC in Serpa or CC in Supertuck about 3:00.
Wallet back right pocket.
pepper spray clipped inside left pocket
cell phone either holster on left side or in left front pocket
extra mag left side on belt, generic cell phone case
knife in right pocket
light in right pocket
If I have cargo pockets I'll sometimes stash the extra mag or light in a cargo pocket to lessen the Batman look.

I feel that if I am going to carry a handgun I also need to keep some less lethal options as well. Not every situation needs a gun. And using one in that situation will cost you dearly.
 

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I'd be interested in responses to this too.
A half-ounce pepper spray thats not in some sort of clever holster or contraption is very small, just a little bigger than a tube of chapstick. It fits in your pocket very easily.

I have tried key ring holsters, I have tried various plastic casings that let you ring it without out a holster, but these are all two bulky and one of them (Spitfire) is prone to mis fire in your pants (this is embarrassing).

I now just carry the plain-jane little blue bottle in left front pocket with my keys, but not on the key ring.

A "full size" 2-ounce bottle (better range, dispersion and more shots) will fit into various contraptions, including intended belt holsters. I also found it will fit snugly into the "extra clip" pouch in my belly-band holster (which I still have found no opportunity to use). Some of the belly band holsters have even more compartments to carry all kinds of goods. But you will bulk up pretty fast.
 
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